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Calontir - 2007-10-31

This item was on the 02-2008 LoAR

10: Julia da Brescia - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2007, via Calontir

Vert, an annulet argent enflamed onthe outer edge proper and a chief engrailed argent

Julia da Brescia submitted on Calontir's May External Letter of Intent

Previous submissions were returned for the following reasons:

First

Device returned for redraw:

The enflaming is not drawn properly. The 01/2005 LoAR (AEthelmearc-R) says:

"Morgan of Caer Graeme. Badge. Azure, a fess embattled Or and overall a sword proper enflamed gules.

"This badge must be returned for redrawing because of problems with the enflaming of the sword. While precedent holds that properly drawn enflaming, small gouttes of flame issuing from the charge, is a blazonable artistic detail and can violate the contrast rules found in RfS VIII.2, in this case, the flames are entirely disconnected from the sword and appear to "float" on the low-contrast field. Recent precedent deals with a very similar case involving flames proper: "The "flames" that are not attached to the sword are each of a single tincture; those that are gules break the Rule of Tincture. Objects that are enflamed should have small gouts of flames emerging from, but still touching, the object at random intervals" [Stephen Other, 10/04, R-Artemesia].

As drawn, these are neither small gouttes of flame, nor are they attached to the annulet, so this is not an annulet enflamed.

Second:

A similar redraw issue as before (see Iulia Briseis above) for the device submission: "Vert, an annulet enflamed proper, a chief engrailed argent". In this case, orange (tenné) was used instead of Or for the enflaming proper, and the chief was drawn in much too narrow a fashion. A proper chief should be 1/4 to 1/3 the height of the device. As of May 6, there is still no conflict for this device.

Internal commentary was divided, some worrying that these are not specifically gouttes, others the the gouttes may be too small, and still others readily identifying the flames as 'gouttes of flames proper'. No one had a good answer as to how to draw a single goutte of flame as proper (alternating tongues of flame) without it being of two points.

It is my opinion that for the device this submitter wants these are reasonable and valid forms of the desired 'enflamed' and thus addresses all previous issues.


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