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Trimaris LoI dated 2023-09-30

The summer heat rests

like a weight on my shoulders,

a humid blanket

draping itself over me,

trying to lull me to sleep.

On behalf of Trimaris, greetings! We hope you are staying cool, dry, and hydrated in these stormy months. Please see the below letter for commentary, and thank you in advance for your wisdom.


1: Brymmestreme, Canton of - New Branch Name & New Device

Barry wavy argent and azure, on a chief vert a castle between two laurel wreaths Or

Submitter desires a gender-neutral name.
Sound ("Brimstream") most important.
Language/Culture (Norse/Anglo-Saxon) most important.

The English surname Brymme is, according to http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2007/08/07-08lar.html, registerable as an alternative spelling of the surname Brim.

The topographical feature of a "stream" occurs multiple places in the United Kingdom. Three examples of such are listed below.

Coldstream--listed as Coldstreme in 1290 in Mills

Sailor's Stream--listed as Sayestreme in 1543

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=1815 [ epns.nottingham.ac.uk ]

Bournstreme--listed as Bourn(e)stre(a)me in 1575 and 1619

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=1816 [ epns.nottingham.ac.uk ]

Bradewellestreme--listed in 1275

https://epns.nottingham.ac.uk/search/p/%28placeName%3A%2Astreme%2A%29

According to Juliana de Luna, in Compound Placenames in English [http://medievalscotland.org/jes/EnglishCompoundPlacenames/], surnames can be combined with a generic topographic feature. This can be found in several places:

Family names + generic topographic feature

Aldborough Hacche c. 1490 Mills London, s.n. Aldborough Hatch

Culling Deepe 1584 Mills London, s.n. Colindale

Coanie hatch 1593 Mills London, s.n. Colney Hatch

Fygmershe c. 1530 Mills London, s.n. Figge's Marsh

Gallion Reache 1588 Mills London, s.n. Gallions Reach

Gallion Nesse 1588 Mills London, s.n. Gallions Reach

Bokkynge Assh 1411 Mills, s.n. Ashbocking

By documenting Brymme as a registerable surname and streme being attested to multiple times and a generic topographic feature and the formations in period listed above of the name being used as one word i.e. Coldstreme, Sayestreme and Bournstreme, the Canton hopes that Brymmestreme would be a plausible construction during period.

FROM KLOI: Added link to Julia de Luna's article screenshots of web sources to submission and packet - thank you, Palimpsest! Would like to note for posterity that it seems like a needless extra administrative hoop to include screenshots of a web source that is already linked in the body documentation.

FROM KLOI: Blazon corrected - thank you, Palimpsest! Original: "Barry wavy of six argent and azure, on a chief vert a castle between two laurel wreathes Or"

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/16-46-56_Bournstream.png
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/16-46-56_Sayestreme.png
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/16-46-56_Bradewellestreme.png


2: Eyfura Rikarðardottir - New Name (KLoI) (NP) & New Device (KLoI)

Gules, a melusine and on a chief argent three tridents sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for Norse/Viking.

"Eyfura" is a feminine name found in "The Danish History" by Saxo Grammaticus [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1150/1150-h/1150-h.htm#link2H_4_0025] and in "Old Norse Women's Names" by Gunnvǫ Silfrahárr [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml].

"Rikarðardottir" is a constructed patronymic byname based on the following elements:

"Rikarðr", found in Geirr Bassi p 14.

Genitive case rules, p 17.

FROM KLOI: Added VAL citation - thank you, Palimpsest!

FROM KLOI: Concerns brought up regarding the identifiability of the tridents (vs trident heads or salmon spears).


3: Gülruh bint Ibrahim - New Device (KLoI)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2019, via Trimaris.

Per bend argent and gules, a crescent gules and a tulip blossom Or.


4: Nishigori Mitsumune - Resub Device (KLoI)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2019, via Trimaris.

Argent, in pale three tortoises passant contourny and a bordure vert.

FROM KLOI: Palimpsest noted prior return needs to be included in submission verbiage.

"The submitter's prior device, Argent, three tortoises statant in annulo within a bordure vert, was returned on the August 2019 LoAR as three tortoises cannot be in annulo."


5: Quintus Varius Primus - New Device (KLoI)

OSCAR finds the name on the Trimaris LoI of July 09, 2023 as submitted.

Vert, a crocodile passant between five crocodile teeth three and two argent

The submitter's name is on Trimaris's July LoI. They allow the creation of a holding name if necessary.

FROM KLOI: During commentary, it was noted that fangs alone are not considered registerable. However, Orle and Crane provided examples of horns, tusks, and teeth on extant arms.

Per Orle:

"The only possible period heraldic example I have seen that might be individual fangs (rather than the German charge of wolves' teeth issuant from a flank) appears in the 1550-1555 Insignia Neapolitanorum, Genuensium [BSB Cod.icon. 279] and shown in Image #2. For all I know, these could be shark fins or something else I haven't considered. I guess one could try submitting fangs with the Lacavella arms as evidence of the charge in period armory, but no telling what Wreath and Laurel would have to say about it.

A third possibility would be to just use triangles to metaphorically reference the teeth."

Per Crane:

"Image 1 shows the arms of Gaudart from Armorial de Waignart, 1600-1631 French (France, Abbeville, Bibliothèque municipale, 108), https://www.armarium-hautsdefrance.fr/document/20687, f. 1029r. According to Wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Gaudart_(1588-1634)) the charges on the bend in the arms of Gaudart are boar's tusks (défenses de sanglier)."

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/16-56-19_15-52-08_Rib_Bones_Pointy.png
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/16-56-20_15-52-08_Fangs.png
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/16-56-20_11-55-14_gaudart.png


6: Sibeal inghean Mhurchadha - New Badge (KLoI)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 1999, via Atenveldt.

(Fieldless) A crescent gules surmounted by a pegasus segreant contourney argent.


7: Svala Vís - New Name (KLoI) (NP)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (easily pronounced from reading) most important.
Language/Culture (unspecified) most important.

Svala is found "Old Norse Women's Names" by Gunnvǫr silfrahárr, http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml, where it is noted " This name is taken from the bird, "swallow". May occur in the Anglo-Scandinavian name Swale (1185). Found as a woman's proper name in Bandamanna saga.

Víss byname meaning wise, knowing, learned. Can be found here: Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html

FROM KLOI: Per Orle, altered to Vís (feminine) from Víss (masculine). Documentation updated - thank you, Palimpsest!


8: Zbina Sokolnik'ia - New Name Change (KLoI) (NP) & New Device Change (KLoI)

OSCAR NOTE: Filing name should match submitted item for a primary name change. It should be the new name.

Zbina Sokolnik'ia

Argent, on a rose azure barbed and seeded gules a falcon volant bendwise argent, a bordure wavy azure semy of hawk's bells argent

Old Item: Étaín Echluath, to be retained as an alternate name.
Old Item: Azure, a horse passant between flaunches argent., to be retained as a badge.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning (Zbina the Falconer) most important.

"Zbina" is a feminine given name dated to 1095 in "Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Period Russian Names" 2nd edition. [https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/z.html]

"Sokolnik'ia" is a constructed name based on the following elements:

"Sokolnik" is a masculine name element dated to 1495 in the same resource. [https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/si.html]

Name converted into a descriptive byname using grammar rules from the same resource. [https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/zgrammar.html]

"Adjectival bynames consist, in turn, of two sub-categories. There are numerous cases of simply adding a common adjective onto a given name, as in: Korotkii/Korotkaia ("short"), Dorogoi/Dorogaia ("dear"), Pervoi/Pervaia ("first"), Beloi/Belaia ("white"), Shirokii/Shirokaia ("wide"), or Krasnyi/Krasnaia ("red"). The adjective, of course, has to agree with the gender of the subject (the standard masculine adjectival endings are -oi/-yi/-ii, while the feminine ones are -aia/-iaia). It is also possible (although rare) for this byname to appear in the genitive case (just like type #3 masculine patronymics). To become genitive, masculine adjectives drop their endings (-oi, -ii, or -yi) and replace them with -ego or -ogo, while feminine adjectives drop their endings and add an -oi or -ei."

Submitter will accept "Sokolnik'aia", but would prefer "Sokolnik'ia" if possible.

Submitter commentary:

See attached academic documentation with toponym references to "Sokolnici" derived from "sokolnik", meaning "hunter with falcons" as early as the Great Moravian Empire. While I don't desire a locative byname, this provides use of the term "sokolnik" prior to the 1491 reference in Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Russian Names in order to theorize the descriptive by-name could be used with the feminine given name Zbina~ 1052. Would prefer the Zbina~ 1052, rather than the Zbinka noted in the 15th century.

ADDITIONAL SUBMITTER COMMENTARY FOLLOWING KLOI:

SUMMARY OF ATTACHED DOCUMENTATION FOR USE OF SOKOLNIK PRIOR TO THE 15TH c.

The included .jpg images are from an Academia EDU paper by Hanns-Hermann Müller.

The paper documents the practice of falconry in the Slavic regions as early as the 8th and 9th centuries using archeological evidence including a bronze belt end, and a silver plaquette used as part of horse equipment found at the `Spitalky' site near the 9th century church and cemetery. It additionally identifies bone material of hawks and falcons from 32 medieval sites in the Slavic areas west of the Oder (Odra) River.

The paper notes a special form of written sources from contemporaneous medieval writings for a toponymic mention of "Sokonici" which can be derived from sokolnik. Sokolnik translates to "hunter with falcons" and is also found in Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Period Russian Names- Sokolnik documented 1491 (Tup, 367).

FROM KLOI: Blazon tweaked per Orle and Palimpsest. Original - "Argent, on a rose azure barbed and seeded gules, a falcon per bend volant argent, a bordure wavy azure charged with a semy of hawk's bells argent"

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/17-10-13_Sokolnici.Sokolnik.1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/17-10-13_Sokolnici.Sokolnik.2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2969/2023-09-30/17-10-13_Sokolnici.Sokolnik.3.jpg


9: Zoe de Navarre - New Name Change (KLoI) (NP) & New Augmentation of Arms Change (KLoI)

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in March of 2003, via Trimaris.

Argent semy-de-lys azure, on a pale vert a Celtic cross argent, for augmentation on the base of the cross a triskele azure.

Old Item: Aíbinn ingen Artáin, to be retained as an alternate name.
Old Item: Argent semy-de-lys azure, on a pale vert a Celtic cross argent, for augmentation on the base of the cross a fleur-de-lys azure, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Please help document further for French.

FROM KLOI: Unable to use original documentation. Reformatted per Ogress and with submitter approval as a French name:

Zoe is a French literary name found in Summaire de chroniques, contenans les vies, gestes et cas fortuitz, de tous les empereurs Deurope, depuis Jules Cesar, jusques a Maximilian dernier decede by Giovanni Battista Egnazio, translated into French by Geofroy Tory de Bourges and published in French in 1529 (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1157936/f2...?...) (images below)

de Navarre - Navarre appears as an unmarked locative surname in "Bynames in Medieval France" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/french...) at p. 143 s.n. Navarre, dated to 1292 and 1421; locatives in French can be marked or unmarked per Appendix A. Therefore, this supports de Navarre.

The change in language is not a "change" by precedent: "A change in language is generally considered a major change, which the submitter does not allow. However, a "change" that does not change the spelling of the name cannot be a major change, or even a minor change." [Lucian Artz, 11/2011 LoAR, A-Atlantia]

FROM KLOI: Set as change to augmentation of arms - thank you, Palimpsest!


YIS,

三浦鈴女

Miura Suzume

Lymphad Trimaris


OSCAR counts 2 New Names, 2 New Name Changes, 1 New Branch Name, 4 New Devices, 1 New Device Change, 1 New Badge and 1 New Augmentation of Arms Change. These 12 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $48 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 13 items submitted on this letter.

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