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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2023-09-10
Greetings to the Heralds of the Known World, from Sigrun S. í Biarká, Asterisk Herald for the Kingdom of Ansteorra. Please find the following submitted for your valued consideration and commentary.
1: Áshildr in Hárfagra -Resub Badge
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2021, via Ansteorra.
(Fieldless) A lion's paw couped in pale and conjoined with a castle azure
This submission is to be associated with Household of Goblins Keep
Original submission returned by Kingdom - Ansteorra ILoI dated 2023-07-10
(Fieldless) A clawed hand aversed conjoined in pale to a castle azure.
Retuned for identifiably of paw/claw/hand- and ;lack of documentation on the position of the claw/paw/hand.
While a lion's paw is not a new charge, with a lion's paw erased having been registered as recently as September 2022*, we are nonetheless providing an image and link for a lion's paw coupedas found in an armorial from from Southern Germany dated to 1530**.
Kingdom of An Tir - Badge for Ordre de la Griffe et du Lion: Checky Or and argent, a lion's paw bendwise erased gules. https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2022/09/22-09lar.html
** IMAGE ONE - BSB Cod.icon. 391 fol. 6v - pg. 14
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Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 13:58:06
I think this fixes the identifiability problem. Were I drawing it, I'd probably indicate a little fur as in the top paw in the Sammelband mehrerer Wappenbücher example.
When citing that illustration, be sure to give the full name as well as the URL: Sammelband mehrerer Wappenbücher [BSB Cod.icon. 391].
Also, turn off URL shortening in your OSCAR options, if you edit an entry, it deletes necessary portions of the URL. The correct URL is https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/view/bsb00007681?page=14
Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-09-10 18:44:18
ohh Thank you , I did not know about the url shortening choice - I will look for it and correct it.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 13:53:24
The paw isn't couped in pale, the charges are arranged in pale. Current practice usually places that arrangement first:
(Fieldless) In pale a lion's paw couped conjoined to a castle azure
2: Benedict Gideon Hindman -New Name (NP) & New Device
Purpure, a viol bendwise Or
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No holding name.
Language/Culture (late period English) most important.
Submitted through PENNSIC 50TH YEAR
Benedict > s.v. Benedict Early Modern English RegBath p.5; 1583; Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources https://dmnes.org/name/Benedict
Gideon > DMNES as above, s.v. Gideon Early Modern English 1593 Gedeon bruton1 p.121 , Gideon ibid. P.52; https://dmnes.org/name/Gideon
Hindman > s.v. Hyndman Black, Surnames of Scotland, "as far back as the days of James V" (r.1513-1542) Robertson Ayrshire Families II p.346; "found in Bute in 1649" (Hewison, II p.267). Scots has i/y switches [lain Macpherson of An Dun Theine, Mar 2017, A-Meridies].
Double given names are found in England per App. A of SENA.
Brian O'hUilliam at 2023-09-14 16:06:58
Given name docs check out. I do not have a copy of Black's in front of me.
I did not find a conflict.
Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-09-17 18:26:55
Here's the Hyndman link -
[ babel.hathitrust.org ]
Am not sure we can use this - the citation that's within SCA CoA acceptable period just says 'known in 1649', the named sources are post-period.
Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-23 16:22:21
OED, s.v. Hind (meaning 2, 'household servant'), section 5:
Combinations: hind-folc; hind-boy, -man, etc.
1572: My Commounis, with my hynd 3emen.
1582: The hirdis and hinde-men in their labeis lay.
Oh, look, from DOST, s.v. helter, n.2
1431-2 Ayr B. Ct. 10 Feb.
Willam Red callit to the chalans of Henry Hyndman for to enter a blak kow in helter to the chalans of the said Henry. . & than the said Henry chalansit the said Wil that he wrangwisly & agans the law held fra hym that kow. .the qwylk wrangwys haldyn the said Wil denyit & ȝed til assys the qwylk sis aquitit Will Red of the said wrangwis haldyn
And in case anyone questions the I/Y exchange for Scotland, here's a common word from roughly the same period (15th c.), s.v. upon:
1453 Douglas Bequest (No. 108) XII 1.
Lefand the sayd soume of mone behynd thaim vpon the he altar
Brian O'hUilliam at 2023-09-14 16:00:34
El of the Two Knives
The following badge associated with this name was registered in July of 1981 (via the East):
Azure, a cracked lute bendwise proper.
for Kay the Minstrel
1 DC easily for the field. Does cracking get a second DC? Does proper versus Or in this situation?
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-16 10:39:50
Cracking almost certainly isn't a DC - it's a simple line on the lute; but El's lute is brown so that does give the second DC.
Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-23 15:55:15
I think it's pretty easy to argue at least a DC between a lute and a viol (image #1). As early as the Cantigas de Santa Maria (13th c.), the almond-shaped lute/oud family instruments were pictured playing together, as a compliment, with the wasp-waist citole/gittern/guitar/vihuela family of instruments (image #2). Note the lute is depicted with a bent-back head, typical of the instrument, and the viol head is always flat. There is even more difference between them, if you saw them side-on, because the lute has a round back, and the viol has a flat back (image #3).
If you are interested, and want to see LOTS more pictures, there is an excellent article here: https://crab.rutgers.edu/users/pbutler/viol/viol.html
There are enough differences which are, frankly, how we tell one from another in early artwork, that anybody who knows anything about stringed instruments can easily tell the lute family from the viol/guitar family. Saying that all stringed instruments conflict with one another is crazy; you can tell that's not a harp, or a lyre, and we can tell the difference between a harp and a lyre. That's NOT A LUTE, even from across the field.
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Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-24 12:41:01
Here are a couple of other examples of why head stock is important. The small painting is called "The Lute Player", and even though his back is turned, THAT'S A LUTE because you can see the head stock. The larger painting ("The Concert") shows everybody playing viol/gittern family instruments, even the seated lady with her back turned, and we know this, because the head stock is straight.
3: Bjorn Úlfarsson -New Device
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2022, via Ansteorra.
Quarterly Or and gules, a sledgehammer bendwise proper and in sinister chief a bee skep Or
Submitted through the Barony of Stargate
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 13:51:19
The submitter's name is registered as Bjǫrn Úlfarsson.
Brian O'hUilliam at 2023-09-14 15:39:25
Marteau de Forgeron
Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in January of 1973:
Quarterly gules and Or, a warhammer bendwise sable.
1 DC for Bjorn adding the secondary and I'd be wiling to bet sable versus proper in this instance gets a DC. But I also don't gamble...
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-16 10:44:47
There is a DC for swapping the tinctures of the field and another for adding the bee skep. I wouldn't expect a DC between a hammer proper and one sable since a hammer takes its tincture from its head. That means a hammer proper is treated as sable for conflict and contrast purposes.
Sigh... there is however a third DC for orientation. Marteau's hammer is bendwise sinister. I've sent in the errata to Laurel.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-10-09 10:27:51
That was an error in the O&A, which has now been corrected. The correct blazon for Marteau de Forgeron device is Quarterly gules and Or, a warhammer bendwise sable.
4: Brianna Silvestre -New Name (NP)
Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Birna Isleifsdottir(8/2011)
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer
"Brianna" is the client's name, and an element of the submitter's name may be used in their SCA name. Identified by Valid Oklahoma DL, witnessed by Deputy Herald of Wiesenfeur, and Asterisk Herald Sigrun i Biarka.
"Silvestre" is a French surname found in the 1554-1582 baptism records from the commune of Saint Dolay, Brittany.
ab Adam, Iago (Micheal Case). "Names from Saint Dolay, Brittany, 1554-1582", 15 Nov.2022. https://names.caerlaverockroll.com/Saint-Dolay1554-surnames-alph.html
(Accessed 4 Aug. 2023). (Found through the Academy of Saint Gabriel)
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 13:57:15
When this is forwarded, make sure that the form -- or at least a Sov Note -- shows a proper attestation per AH IV.C.2. It needs to include the submitter's full name, which shouldn't be shown on the LoI itself.
5: Cwenthryth of Northwic -New Name (NP) & New Device
Vert, a chevron gules seme of lozenges fimbriated between three dragonflies Or
Submitter desires a feminine name.
The following changes are allowed: variations on spelling
Language/Culture (9th Century Saxon) most important.
Submitted through Glaslyn via the Barony of Steppes
"Cwenthryth is a feminine OE name formed from the elements cwēn ('woman, wife, princess, queen') and ðryð ('strength, glory'). ... earlier nineth century" https://pase.ac.uk/jsp/Domesday?op=5&nameinfo_id=2711
'of Northwic' is a locative byname.
Northwic is an alternate name for Norwich which existed prior to 1004 https://www.britannica.com/place/Norwich-England
Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-09-11 19:18:28
Better written up:
Cwenthryth is an Old English feminine given name found in the PASE database as the name of an abbess of Winchcombe in the early 9th century.
[ pase.ac.uk ]
of Northwic is an English locative byname found in Watts, sn Norwich, with the submitted spelling dated to the Domesday Book of 1086.
Docs now check, construction given + marked locative checks for Old English. No conflicts noted.
Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 13:59:59
We can just say Vert, a chevron gules lozengy fimbriated between three dragonflies Or
Since it doesn't say "lozengy X and Y", we know its semy of lozenges.
Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-23 16:38:41
I don't agree. If the blazon were mullety, you MIGHT draw a nice single rank of stars along the chevron line, but then again, you MIGHT NOT. There are valid emblazons for lozengy that will not yield this picture. If the picture is important, it pretty much has to be blazoned Vert, on a chevron gules fimbriated between three dragonflies, seven lozenges palewise in chevron Or. That gets this picture, and only this picture.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-10-02 01:26:44
However, we don't blazon seven tertiary charges; they are considered to be strewn (semy).
6: Ginevra de Falco -New Name (NP) & New Device
Per Pale Az & Gu, 2 eagles argente close Reguardant. In base Triquerta inverted Argent interlaced with an annulet Or
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for authentic for 14th Century Florentine.
Ginevra > Arval Benicoeur, "Feminine Given names from the online Catasto of Florence of 1427" shows Ginevra in this spelling http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/
Ginevra is found 716 times from 1466 to 1557, p. 41 in "Names from 15th and 16th Century Pisa" by Juliana de Luna http://heraldry.sca.org/kwhss/2014/Juliana_de_Luna...
de Falco > this byname is found in "Volume II Notaries of Palermo Part Two" - a document from Palermo, Italy in the 1400s, described on p. 7071 6.1.1442 - paid sales of title to Salamone Azara, a palermitan Jew -
[ www.google.com ]
Simonsohn, Shlomo. The Jews in Sicily. Israel: Brill, 1997.
also on p.6591 One Distule de Falco purchased a curtain.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-16 11:06:12
When this is forwarded, images of the book are required.
As documented, this name does not meet the submitter's request for authenticity as neither the time period not the location match that request.
Falco is found as a masculine given name twice in "Names in 15th Century Florence and her Dominions: the Condado" by Juliana de Luna. It is also found six times in patronymics in the same article. So Ginevra di Falco would be authentic for 15th century (1427 to be exact) Florence. While it is likely authentic for the 14th century also, we lack the data to support that.
Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-09-21 21:23:43
I received an email today 9/21/2023 from the client with written consent that they do and will accept the modification in spelling of the Name to Ginevra di Falco - regardless and inspite of the mark for not allowing changes on the submission form.
Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 14:21:04
At this size, I'd consider the knotwork in the bottom to be part of the primary charge group, giving us three types of charges in that group which is slot machine and a no-no.
This may be okay as-is, but here it is with the charge sizes adjusted a smidge to make it more clear that the knotwork is secondary, if needed.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 14:00:37
The birds cross the per fess line, the annulet and triquetra do not. That makes the birds the primary charges and the annulet/triquetra secondary charges.
Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-09-11 09:57:21
Please remember not to abbreviate on the blazon, we need to understand the description as much as possible in case the emblazon is not clear - This may not be perfect but closer to what we need - Per pale azure and gules, two eagles close reguardant and in base a triquetra inverted argent, interlaced with an annulet Or
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 14:04:44
Almost. The eagles are addorsed, which needs to be mentioned. I think:
Per pale azure and gules, two eagles reguardant close addorsed, in base a triquetra inverted argent interlaced with an annulet Or
Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-11 16:26:46
Given the name of de Falco, wouldn't these be falcons?
Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-09-17 14:42:43
email received from submitting Herald says yes - client is happy to have them Blazoned as falcons
7: Irina Volkova -New Name (NP)
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Submitted through the shire of Adersruhe
Irina (f) -- "peace."
Irina, mother of Mikhail. 866. [Nov 12] (Russian Names Database, Paul Wickenden of Thanet, https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/h-j.html
Name has diminutives listed until the end of period
Pats: Volkov (lstoma Ivanov syn Volkov). 1583-7. [RIB XIV 122] (Russian Names Database, Paul Wickenden of Thanet, https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/vl-y.html
'a' appended to femininze the patronymic per http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/zgrammar.html
Related patronymic Volkovich existed much earlier (Vasilii Volkovich, 1169. [Tup 22], RND, https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/vl-y.html
suggesting that Irina Volkova is a suitable name for any era from the late Rus on.
Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-23 16:47:50
Fine name. Closest registration is Irina Vukoslava
This name was registered in September of 1999 (via the Outlands). We have a bunch of Volkovas, but no Irinas or anything sound-alike.
8: Mikjall Stoti -Resub Badge
OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Mikjall stoti in August of 2020, via Ansteorra.
Gules, two gussets argent charged with the capital letters M and S sable
Original submission Kingdom of Ansteorra ILoI 10.11.2021
Returned by Kingdom for lack of documentation on the script of the letters and the identifiability of the S.
Charged gores, charged gussets, and charged complex-line tierces are now allowed as a step from period practice.
Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 14:23:00
That blazon would have both letters on each gusset. How about:
Gules, two gussets argent, the dexter charged with the capital letter M and the sinister gusset charged with the capital letter S sable
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-14 13:37:50
Per SENA Appendix G2 there is a step from core practice for charging the gussets.
It needs to be shown that the letters are in a period hand even though we don't blazon the hand.
Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-23 16:56:39
These letters are consistent with the Chancery Italic Hand, credited to papal scribe Ludovico Vicentino degli Arrighi (Cornedo Vicentino, 1475?-1527?). Image #1 is a page from La Operina, 1522. (From the Rosenwald Collection, Library of Congress.) Note the free application of the ornaments, and the style of upper ornament on the M, appearing on the N in the sample.
9: Yamashiro Tatsu'nao -Resub Device
OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.
Gyronny Or and purpure, on a plate a Chinese lion sable
Submitted through the Province of Mooneshadow ~ corrected art as well as documentation by HL Jessimond of Emerickeskepe
Original submission of Name and device Kingodm ILoI 6.09.2023
Device - Gyronny Or and purpure, on a plate a fu-dog rampant sable
Name forwarded to sovereign Laurel as Yamashiro Tatsu'nao
Device Returned by Kingdom for reblazon, and re-art, as well as documentation on the corrected animal charge.
<Chinese lion> constructed element based on period depictions of a fantastical animal (SENA A2b).
Chinese Lion vs. foo/fu dog - While we recognize that the decision of what to blazon this charge rests with the College of Arms, it seems important to note that since the Han Dynasty, Chinese Buddhism has taught that mythical guardian lions (called Shi in Chinese) have magical protective powers. Their common Western misnomer, foo/fu dog, appears to be a wholly modern construct, possibly being a combination of the word foo/fu, which can mean both "Buddha" or "prosperity and good fortune" in Chinese, and the English word dog. The latter most likely being due to post-period imported Asian objects d'art that closely resemble two Chinese dog breeds: the shih tzu ("lion dog") and the chow chow ("puffy lion dog").
In creating this Chinese lion, I used a basic heraldic lion's body, albeit slightly stockier with noticeably furry legs. I then created a stylized Chinese lion's head and tail based directly from images one and two. While the SCA does not require names and armory to match, I thought the College and submitter would enjoy knowing that the Chinese lion is found in 15th Century Japanese heraldry (image three). The last image, while from the gray period, is also from Japan.
Guardian Lion, 8th century, China - Minneapolis Institute of Art (MIA)
Lion, China, 8th century - The Met Museum
Lion, Japan, 15th century - Kenmon Shokamon (見聞諸家紋; "Various Observed Family Crests") 1467-1470, pg. 36. Also found at: http://mon.xavid.us/ Kihō's Japanese Heraldry Database: A compendium of mon (crests) and other forms of Japanese heraldry, focusing on early Edo and pre-Edo Japan.
Votive Painting [Ema] of Chinese Lion, Japan, 1627 - The Met Museum
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Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 14:24:35
I wouldn't blazon this as a Chinese lion. I'd just call it a lion and leave the exact appearance to the artist, myself.
Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2023-09-23 16:59:41
Concur, not that I want to discourage research...
Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-09-10 20:23:09
This name needs to be resubmitted with the device.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 14:09:36
No it doesn't. It appears as Yamashiro Naotatsu on Ansteorra's August LoI. However, commentary notes it should have been sent up as Yamashiro Tatsu'nao. What is needed is a correction to the August LoI to that effect.
Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-09-11 16:42:20
Thank you JM. Noting for my own needs.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-11 14:13:12
No conflicts found.
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