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Northshield ILoI dated 2023-08-22

Greetings unto Her Excellency Ysolt Polaris, the Heralds of Northshield, and our companions from the other kingdoms of the Known World. Herein please find the Northshield August Internal Letter. Comments are due by September 22, 2023.

1: Anpliça Fiore -New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2004, via Northshield.

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Felix Feyrer(5/2017)

Fellowship of Vair

No major changes.
Sound (vair/Vare) most important.

Fellowship SENA Appendix E

Vair - Hanks, Patrick, Richard Coates, and Peter McClure. The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland.

Heading name "Fair" has Henry le Vayre 1297 (in Cornwall) and Ricardus Vair 1379 in Hampshire. "Fair is of the same origin and meaning in both English and Scots."

Household Name Comments:

Juetta Copin at 2023-08-23 03:27:50
Can a Fellowship be named for just a surname? (In the past we seem to have allowed them to be named for saints, heraldic charges, and full names.)

Valdís Brýningsdottir at 2023-08-29 10:45:17
The submitter provided information regarding a surname, however, vair is also a heraldic fur.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 19:45:19
The March 2013 CL provides for the pattern of House of X where X is a surname in English.

The 11/14 CL on which Fellowship is documented and established as a designator followed from patterns of ship names, and there is a 2021 registration of Fellowship of <full name>, but we do not know whether there's a pattern here for Fellowship of <surname>. We ask the College's assistance in documenting this pattern.

Anpliça Fiore (Scroby) at 2023-09-14 14:54:56
If Fellowship is deemed inappropriate to use for a household name with just a surname, I am happy to have this go forward as House of Vair.

Valdís Brýningsdottir at 2023-09-21 10:49:55
I think leveraging the rules for castle names and regions might work better. There is a Vair region in France, but proof of time period/usage is needed.

2: Barony of Castel Rouge -New Order Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Order of the Grey Owl

Grey is a heraldic tincture approved for use in blazon distinct from sable or argent on the May 2021 Cover Letter.

An owl is a heraldic charge

Per the April 2012 Cover Letter, heraldic tinctures or their ordinary color words can be used in order names, and grey could be considered both under the May 2021 precedent.

This order name this follows the documented patter of English Order names of "Color+Charge" from Juliana's article "Medieval Secular Order Names" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/order/new/)

Order Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 16:04:16
This item should have been entered as Castel Rouge, Barony of Either the branch-name or the following arms associated it (or both) were registered in August of 1979:

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 19:58:52
The construction of the name seems plausible and registerable, and we find no conflict.

3: Cathan Schele -New Name (NP)

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Cett Donegal(5/1994)

Sound (kay-than sheel) most important.
Language/Culture (Anglo-Saxon) most important.
Meaning most important.
Spelling most important.

Cathan is a masculine personal name and can be found in https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cathan.shtml

Saint Cathan, a saint from the Aberdeen Breviary (16th c. Scotland), also known as Catan, Cattan, etc., was a 6th-century Irish monk revered as a saint in parts of the Scottish Hebrides.

Schele is found as an English surname dated to 1369 in 'Admissions to the Freedom of York: 26-51 Edward III (1352-77)', in Register of the Freemen of the City of York: Vol. 1, 1272-1558, ed. Francis Collins (Durham, 1897), pp. 45-75. (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/york-freemen/vol1/pp45-75)

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 17:35:20
Docs check, though we have to cite our source for the given name Cathan - Index of Names in Irish Annals: Cathán by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan. Per SENA Appendix C, English and Gaelic can be combined throughout period, though we need to make sure that there is only 300 years between dates for name elements. Here we have the latest date for Cathan as 1036. The date for the surname is 1369. This is more than 300 years. We may have an issue here.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-26 15:16:56
Saint's name allowance negates the temporal issue.

Heledd of Mathrafal at 2023-09-03 02:12:37
Schele:

Most of the surnames "Schele" appear to be of German origin, but Family Search lists an M-batch record for a Robert Schele marrying in 1579.

Citation "England Marriages, 1538-1973", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVJ7-V5B), Robert Schele, 1579. Link to page 136 of The parish registers of Priors Dean and Colmer, to the end of the year of our Lord, 1812 showing Robert Schele is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99CR-L84 (image 83 of 99).

(Citation: The parish registers of Priors Dean and Colmer, to the end of the year of our Lord, 1812, edited by Rev. Thomas Hervey; Colmer, 1886, pg 137.) (image attached)

Cathan:

The Wikipedia entry states "Saint Cathan, also known as Catan, Cattan, etc., was a 6th-century Irish monk revered as a saint in parts of the Scottish Hebrides" and "This Saint appears in the Aberdeen Breviary, Walter Bower's Scotichronicon, and the Acta Sanctorum, and a number of placenames in western Scotland are associated with him." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathan, retrieved 9-1-2023)

The Aberdeen Breviary dates from the 16th century and is here in Latin: https://archive.org/details/breviariumaber9603cathuoft/mode/2up.

The Scotichronicon dates from the 15th century. It's here in multiple volumes: https://archive.org/search?query=scotichronicon.

The Acta Sanctorum dates from before 1650 and is here, also in Latin and in multiple volumes: https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2345 [ archive.org ] .

I don't have the expertise to check details in any of these, but someone else may so I have included the links. They all would put St. Cathan as being known in late period, especially in Scotland, and therefore should be able to be used with a late period English surname.

Additionally:

The Catholic Saints Info website lists alternate spellings as Cadan, Catan, and Chattan (https://catholicsaints.info/saint-cathan-of-bute/) and also lists a Saint Gathan, the information for which is taken from The Calendar of Scottish Saints by Father Michael Barrett, published in 1919. This very well may be a misspelling since all the information listed matches St. Cathan. (https://catholicsaints.info/calendar-of-scottish-saints-saint-gathan-bishop/)

The website Orthodox Europe lists Cathan as an early bishop and saint on the Isle of Bute which is in the Scottish Hebrides and it gives Catan, Chattan and Cadan as variant spellings of the name. (http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/saintsc.htm) (image attached)

Cathleen O'Brian's Index of Names in Irish Annals on the medievalscotland.org site lists the name as Cathán with the second "a" accented (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cathan.shtml). If I understand the listing correctly, it shows 4 entries for Cathan in the Annals, mainly in the genitive form, with the earliest from 914 and the latest from 1036.

Butler's Lives of the Saints lists St. Cathan on the webpage at https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2346 [ www.google.com ] ) (image attached)

(Citation: Lives of the Fathers, Martyrs, and other Principal Saints, compiled from Original Monuments, and Other Authentic Records, May, Vol 5, by the Rev. Alban Butler [aka Butler's Lives of the Saints]; London and Derby: Thomas Richardson & Son; n.d. [J. Moir, 1798], pg 279.)

The Saints in Scottish Place-Names website has some further information showing that he's listed in the Martyrology of Gorman and the Martyrology of Donegal and lists a number of places named for him including priories, churches and wells. (https://saintsplaces.gla.ac.uk/saint.php?id=39) The Codecs website (https://codecs.vanhamel.nl/Martyrology_of_Gorman) states that the Martyrology of Gorman is a "Irish metrical calendar of saints compiled by Máel Muire Ua Gormáin in the 12th century" and that according to its translator, Whitley Stokes, it "represents, save in a very few instances, the spelling and grammar of Middle-Irish in the latter half of the 12th century".

Cattán in the Martyrology of Gorman at:

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2347 [ www.google.com ] pg 28 - 29 (Feb. 1) and at: ( https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2348 [ www.google.com ] ) page 236-237 (December 12). (image attached)

Citation: The Martyrology of Gorman [also known as Félire húi Gormáin], edited from a manuscript in the Royal Library, Brussels by Whitley Stokes; London: [Henry Bradshaw Society], 1895, pgs 28-29, 236-237.

The website Ask about Ireland ( https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2349 [ www.askaboutireland.ie ] ) states "The Martyrology of Donegal was written by Mícheál Ó Cléirigh (1590-1643) in the 17th century and edited and translated by John O'Donovan in the 1864. The martyrology is based on a series of earlier documents which recorded the saints of Donegal, their feast days and biographical details."

Catan in the Martyrology of Donegal at: https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2350 [ ia801309.us.archive.org ] pages 36-37 (image 105 & 106) (February 1, header lists Feb. 2 because that starts farther down the page). And at: pages 334-335 (image 403 & 404) (December 12, header lists Dec. 13 because that starts farther down the page). It also lists the Latinized spelling at Cathanus in the Table of the Martyrology on page 370-371 (image 439 & 440) (alphabetically under "C"). (image attached)

Citation: The Martyrology of Donegal, a Calendar of the saints of Ireland, by Fr. Michael O'Clery [Mícheál Ó Cléirigh, published 1630], translated from the original Irish by John O'Donovan, edited with the Irish text by James Henthorn Todd and William Reves; Dublin: for the Irish Archæological and Celtic Society, 1864.

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Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 20:25:03
Black has a citation for Schele s.n. Shiel, dated to 1274 and 1403, which both brings us into the same country and within 300 years.

We find no conflicts.

4: Cathan Schele -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Kvasir Hall

Vert three triskelions of spirals Or

This submission is to be associated with Cathan Schele
Sound most important.
Language/Culture (Norse) most important.
Meaning (Related to wisdom) most important.
Spelling (Kvasir) most important.

Kvasir Norse god, origin of mead.

Norse usage of theophoric place names as a pattern Óðinn, Þórr, Týr, Frey, Freyja, and Njǫrðr were compunded in placenames, there is a pattern of god name + landscape element. https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2351 [ skemman.is ]

Hall as lingua societatis allowance The Old Norse word for " hall" is usually <salr>. But with a god's name it's even more likely to be <hof>, which is "temple", but also " court, king's residence".

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2352 [ onp.ku.dk ]

Household Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-22 22:48:24
Let's expand on that documentation some.

Under our rules, we might go for <Kvasisalr> or <Kvasishof>, and then Linga Societatis (SENA PN.1.B.2.c) to Kvasir's Hall?

The household name is formed based on SENA NPN.1.C.2.b following a pattern of theophoric place-names in Scandinavia constructed of the name of a god + hall.

Ólafur Briem. Heiðinn siður á Íslandi. Reykjavík: Bókútgáfa Menningarsjóðs. 1985. (Title Page and text attached) has a number of place-names in Iceland compounded with a first element of the god-names Freyr, Njǫrðr, and Þórr:

<Freysnes> (2x)
<Freyshólar>
<Njarðvíkur>
<Njarðvík>
<Þórsá> (2x)
<Þórseyri>
<Þórshamar>
<Þórshnúa>
<Þórshólar>
<Þórshöfn> (5x)
<Þórsmörk>
<Þórsnes> (5x)
<Þórsvatn>
<Þórfell> (2x)
<Þórfell>
<Þórhóll>
<Þórvík>

Old Norse <hǫll> "a large house, a hall" was a late adoption. More commonly the word for a hall was <salr> or <hof> (see https://onp.ku.dk/onp/onp.php?o39611 and https://www.medieval.eu/viking-and-medieval-halls/), and is probably too late to use in creating a pagan placename.

Checking Oluf Rygh's Norwegian Farm names:

<Hundsalr> (Headword: Hundsal). From the masculine name <Hundr> + <salr> "hall".
- c.1400 (dative)
- 1422 <Hundzsald>
- 1574-1577 <Hundseltt>
- 1593 <Hunsall>
<Samsalir?> (Headword: Samsal). First element uncertain, second element <salr> "hall".
- 1403 <a Samsolum> (dative)
- 1426 <a Somsalom> (dative)
- 1520 <Samesall>
- 1536 <Samsoll
- 1541, 1578 <Samsall>
<Uppsalir> (Headwords: Opsal, 13 places). From <upp> "upland" and the plural of <salr> "hall".
- c.1400 (dative)
- c.1400 (dative)
- 1488 <Vpsalir>
- c.1514-1521 <Vpsall>
- 1563, 1610 <Opsall>
- 1585, 1593, 1602 <Opsall>
- 1623 (dative)
- etc.
<*Þórshof> (Headword: Torshov). From the god-name <Þórr> and <hof> "temple, court, king's household".
- 1578 <Tousoug>
- 1594 <Thoußou>
<*Viðarshof> (Headword: Vidarshof). From the god-name <Viðarr> and <hof> "temple, court, king's household".
- 1578 <Wiersøgh>
- 1604 <Wiirßoug>
<Freyshof> (Headword: Frøishov)From the god-name <Freyr> and <hof> "temple, court, king's household".

However, there's a problem in accepting this as a pattern. Not all gods or creatures from Old Norse mythology ever appeared in placenames. In fact, it's a very limited number of gods that got mentioned in placenames, and I don't think we can extrapolate beyond those deities, because there's no evidence for actual worship of creatures such as Kvasir, who is more of an archaic poetical motif than an actual god.

"Heathen and mythological elements in Scandinavian place-names" ( https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2353 [ germanic-studies.org ] ) actually has a reasonably decent overview, although the author is relying on outdated information in some places and gives credit to some deities who later linguistics proved were not present in the suggested place names at all. This article includes place-names with Týr, Þórr, Ullr, Freyr, Freyja, Njǫrðr; as well as three who later scholarship make doubtful, Baldur, Heimdallr, and Frigg.

For more in-depth scholarship on the issue of Old Norse and Germanic theophoric placenames, see:

Per Vikstrand. "Place Names and Viking Age Religion". In: Carole Hough and Daria Izdebska (eds) Names and Their Environment: Proceedings of the 25th International Congress of Onomastic Sciences, Glasgow, 25-29 August 2014. Glasgow: University of Glasgow. 2014. pp. 177-184. (https://www.academia.edu/27786295/Place_Names_and_Viking_Age_Religion)
Bente Holmberg. "Views on Cultic Place-Names in Denmark: A Review of Research". In: Töre Ahlbäck (ed). Old Norse and Finnish Religions and Cultic Place Names. Åbo: The Donner Institute for Research in Religious and Cultural History. 1990. pp. 381-393. (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8a86/dcd110ad2c1d9129cd2c75180a060caafb62.pdf)
Stefan Brink. "Cult Sites in Northern Sweden". In: Töre Ahlbäck (ed). Old Norse and Finnish Religions and Cultic Place Names. Åbo: The Donner Institute for Research in Religious and Cultural History. 1990. pp. 458-489.
Tara-Kim Kritsch. Theophoric Place Names-A Comparative Study of Sacral Place Names in the German-Speaking World. MA Thesis. 2019. ( https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2351 [ skemman.is ] )

Badge Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 17:36:31
The use of triskelions of spirals carries a Step from Core Practice.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 20:28:36
The badge should be explicitly associated with the household name, not the primary name of the submitter.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 20:52:02
SFCP for the triskelions. We find no conflicts

5: Clydwyn Gwehydd -New Augmentation of Arms

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2016, via Northshield.

Argent, two bendlets engrailed sable and for augmentation in sinister chief a lozenge ploye Or fimbriated sable.

Augmentation of Arms awarded 9/20/22 by Ajax and Gaia

http://northshield.org/Populace/Persona.aspx?ID=5110

Augmentation of Arms Comments:

Juetta Copin at 2023-08-24 02:29:53
Usually only primary charges can be fimbriated. Can we make an exception for an augmentation?

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-25 13:41:10
SENA A.3.C (https://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A3C) tells us:

Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with ordinaries or simple geometric charges when they are part of a primary charge group. Peripheral ordinaries may not be voided or fimbriated, nor may other secondary, tertiary, or overall charges.

They might go for a sable canton with the lozenge ployé Or on that.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 21:01:06
....we can blazon our way out of a style problem.

"Argent, two bendlets engrailed sable and for augmentation in sinister canton on a lozenge ploye sable a lozenge ploye Or."

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 21:04:16
We find no conflicts

6: Drazhan Simanov and Valdís Brýningsdóttir -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name (Drazhan Simanov) on the Northshield LoI of February 28, 2019 as submitted.
OSCAR finds the name (Valdís Brýningsdóttir) registered exactly as it appears in January of 2018, via Northshield.

(Fieldless) A sheaf of three arrows proper fletched gules, overall a hedgehog passant argent

Joint submission for Drazhan Simanov and Valdis Bryningsdottir

Badge Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 17:38:04
Please redact the image of the form with the PII on it.

Calamus (Keythong) at 2023-08-22 18:19:55
done. thank you.

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 20:33:38
Appears free of conflict.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 21:11:22
We find no conflicts

7: Evelein Jantz -New Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Sable, between a mortar and pestle and a belladonna flower slipped and leaved argent, a bend sinister raguly Or

Device Comments:

Calamus (Keythong) at 2023-08-22 18:21:56
This name has been submitted but was mis-spelled on the July ILoI as "Evenlein Jantz" this will be corrected on the XLoI next week.

Juetta Copin at 2023-08-23 09:08:23
There seems to be a very skinny bordure on this device.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-25 13:45:16
It looks like an artifact from pasting the image into the form, and is easily fixed. Note that the submitter has to okay the change.

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 20:29:15
Appears free of conflict.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 21:29:44
The primary should be blazoned first, with it coming before the word between.

We believe this to be in conflict with:

James of Mann: Sable, a bend sinister bretessed Or between and a lit skyrocket bendwise argent

Bretessed and raguly are both variants of embattled and get no difference from each other under SENA appendix M.2. There is therefore one DC for change of type of the secondary charges.

8: Griffon Caramon -New Name (NP) & New Device

Griffon Caramon

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Language/Culture most important.

Griffon is a French masculine name dated 1630 (France, Haute-Saone, registres paroissiaux et d'etat civil, 1551-1872" https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NBC-7ZQS:19September2022)

Caramon is a French byname dated 1670 (France, Dordogne, Registres Paoissiaux et Etat-Civil, 1540-1896) FamilySearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGY5-15QD:28March2018

Submitter note "I have used this name for 20 years, so I'm trying to keep it as close as possible."

Argent, an hourglass sable, and a border wavy azure

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 17:52:27
We cannot use the Family Search Records as there are no batch numbers attached. We would need images available to see to verify the name element.

We can do the name thus:

Griffin is an Irish given name dated to the 14th century and found in Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond (Ireland 14th Century), Given Names, by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn https://heraldry.sca.org/names/lateirish/ormond-given.html

Caramon is a literary given name found in a book published in 1621 in England. We would like to use this name as an unmarked patronymic. https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=2355 [ www.google.com ] See image attached.

Eleanor Deyeson at 2023-08-26 14:20:37
The attached Family Search link (which does include images) unfortunately is dated 1670, beyond our grey period cutoff of 1650.

However, I did find the marriage of Margueritte Caramon & Jacques Hugounenc on 8 Oct 1636. The description information from the Aude departmental archives is below. I have not been able to find a permalink button, however, I've attached the cropped image. Appears to be spelled variously Caramon & Caramom in the record, and Caramone in the marginal notation (which are often applied by a later recordkeeper for easier searching.)

https://archivesdepartementales.aude.fr/letat-civil

"ETAT CIVIL : NARBONNE (paroisse de Saint-Paul) et Registres paroissiaux (avant 1793) et Mariages et Année 1636

Description : Document 100NUM/AC262/GG33 Narbonne. Paroisse Saint-Paul. Actes de mariage, sépulture. ( 1627-1667 ) Document 100NUM/AC262/GG33 Narbonne. Paroisse Saint-Paul. Actes de mariage, sépulture. ( 1627-1667 ) Image: AD11_5Mi0084_AC262_GG033_mas_0075.JPG"

The client marked culture most important, so this gives a French source, to go along with the British source found by Ragged Staff.

Device Comments:

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 19:27:47
Appears free of conflict.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 21:53:32
We find no conflicts

9: Lumia Blanck -New Name (NP) & New Device

Lumia Blanck

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Language/Culture most important.

Lumia is a Swiss feminine given name dating to 1620. (FamilySearch Switzerland, Catholic and Reformed Church Records, 1418-1996)

Blanck is a Swiss byname dating to 1633. (FamilySearch Switzerland, Catholic and Reformed Church Records, 1418-1996)

Per bend argent and azure, three mushrooms purpure stemmed sable.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 16:24:19
The Family Search Records for this name are unusable, as they have no batch numbers attached and the images are hidden unless you have access. We'd need the images to verify the name elements.

Device Comments:

Juetta Copin at 2023-08-23 03:18:13
Having the lower mushroom mainly on azure may be a problem.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2023-09-13 22:01:59
This is a non-standard shield shape, and must either be redrawn or administratively returned.

The bottom charge does not have good contrast, and we have precedent which requires that each charge in a group on a neutral background must have good contrast, not just the group as a whole.

Anpliça Fiore (Scroby) at 2023-09-14 14:59:27
I thought these charges were ink balls before reading the blazon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ink_ball

10: Magnus mac Culéon -New Name (NP) & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Magnus Ian Maclean(11/1997)

Purpure per fess a chevron argent ermined purpure, three hedgehogs maintaining swords and impaling grapes sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (Byname MAC Killian sound) most important.

Magnus is a Scottish masculine name. (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Magnus.shtml)

mac Culéon is a Scottish patronymic byname (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/simplescotgaelicnames12.shtml)

Submitter is not concerned with specific spelling, but is very enthusiastic about his Scottish heritage.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 16:26:52
I believe the patronymic here should be mac Culéoin to use the genitive version of the name.

Device Comments:

Sigrith parði (Rocket) at 2023-08-25 10:13:15
This isn't the standard shield-shape.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-25 12:36:53
Purpure, a chevron argent ermined purpure between three hedgehogs each maintaining a Celtic anthropomorphic sword argent and impaling grapes sable

Since it's on the wrong shield shape, as Rocket noted, and has lots of pixellation artifacts, I did a redraw, attached..

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 18:09:52
Appears free of conflict.

11: Nuala inghean Dubáin -New Name (NP) & New Device

Azure, two narwhals haurient respectant horns in saltire and in chief an escarbuncle argent within a border ermine.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (/Noo-ah-la/ or /Noo-lah/) most important.
Language/Culture (Irish Gaelic) most important.

Nuala Is an Irish Gaelic feminine given name found in the Irish annals and various texts

Inghean is an Irish Gaelic identifier indicating 'daughter of.'

Dubáin is an Irish patronymic byname. Dubhán is

used as both a clan name and last name. For example, Annual M753 references the death of Martha, the

daughter of Dubhan, in 753. [4]

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 16:35:37
Better written up, with named and cited sources:

Nuala is an Irish Gaelic feminine given name found in Index of Names in Irish Annals: Nuala, by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan and dated there between 1226 and 1592 https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Nuala.shtml

inghean Dubhain is an Irish Gaelic patronymic byname. The marker |inghean| is the general later period spelling for 'daughter of'. The masculine given name Duban is found in Index of Names in Irish Annals: Dubán, by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan with the genitive Dubhain found in the years 753, 800 and 850. https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Duban.shtml

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-25 12:50:03
There is but a single intact ermine spot on the bordure. This would probably benefit from smaller and more carefully placed spots. Also, escarbuncles were meant to fill the whole shield and don't do super well as tiny shrunken charges, since they lose detail and identifiability, so I made it a bit bigger. [Image #1]

Lastly, these horns are crossed at the tip and that should either be blazoned, or we can draw the horns so they cross more or less in the middle (which also has the benefit of allowing the whales to be larger, as befits primary charges. [Image #2]

1: 2:

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 17:53:20
Appears free of conflict.

12: Svala Leifsdóttir -New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Svala is a Norse feminine personal name found as a woman's proper name in Bandamanna Saga (early 11th Century.) Supported in Geirr Bassi page 15, FJ pp. 273; CV pp. 606 s.v.

Leifsdóttir is a Norse patronymic byname formed from the male given name Leifr found on p 13 of GB, with the patronymic from rules for patronymics in GB p 17.

Submitter is primarily concerned with the association of the given name to (birds, swallows.)

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-22 22:51:36
They almost certainly got <Svala> from my page at http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml -- cite the source actually used.

The name is correctly formed.

13: Sveinn Tunheim -New Name (NP)

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Safiya bint Yuhanna(2/2014), Savine du Maine (5/2009), Siobhán O Tine (5/2006), Svne Odin Eye (3/2015)

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Spelling most important.

Sveinn is a masculine personal name from Scandinavia, with some spelling variations based on source. Notable example: Sveinn Tjúguskegg, known also as Sweyn I Forkbeard and Sven the Dane, (960 - February 3, 1014)

TunheimLegal name allowance for the byname. I attest that two officers have viewed the legal documentation provided to support this allowance. Deputy keythong Valdis Bryningsdottir and Crescetis Herald Signora Beatrice Domenici della Campana have seen the passport with this byname and spelling.

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-22 23:02:42
Too bad he's going for LNA on the locative byname instead of the period form, which is <í Túnheimi>. Oluf Rygh has three farms with his name:

<Túnheimr> (Headword: Tonneim)
- 1563 <Thonem>
- 1603 <Ytter Tonem>
- 1608 <Thiønnum>
- 1623 (dative)
<Túnheimr> (Headword: Tuneim ytre, midtre og indre)
- 1403 (dative)
- c.1514-1521 <Tonym>
- c.1514-1521 <Twinn>, <Twnim>
- 1560 <Tunem>
- 1603 <Tonum>
- 1606 <Thonum>
- 1616 <Thonemb>
- 1617 <Thonnem>
<*Túneimr> (Headword: Tuneim)
- c.1514-1521 <Twnym>
- c.1514-1521 <Twnnym
- 1563 <Thunem
- 1567 <Tunenn>
- 1610 <Tonimb>
- 1616 <Thunnimb>

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-26 15:21:08
Make sure that the form (or Sov Note) has a proper attestation per AH IV.C.2 which includes the submitter's full name.

14: Tom Holiday -New Name (NP) & New Device

Quarterly azure and vert, in bend two hawk's bells Or

Sound (Hahl-uh-day) most important.

Tom is an English Masculine personal name from 1379.

"Found in Withycombe's Oxford Dictionary of English Names, which cites the Domesday Book, 1199-1220 and 1273. The diminutive "Tom" can be found in Yorkshire Masculine Names from 1379, compiled by Talan Gwynek. http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/yorkshire/york... . Withycombe in the place cited also documents period usage of the hypocoristic form <Tom>: "The usual medieval abbreviation of Thomas was Thome, later (from the 14th C) Tom." Withycombe also explicitly cites an instance of <Tom> from the Yorkshire Poll Taxes in 1379, probably the same one cited in Scott's article." -copied from OSCAR entry for Tom Drum Builder, Atlantia LoI - 2013-11-30, accessed 8/16/2023

Holiday is an English byname found in documents dating from 1555 and later.

Marriage record for Richerde Holiday, 9/2/1555. "England, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1538-2016", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66GV-QWX5 : 11 August 2022), Richerde Holiday, 1555.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 16:44:58
Better link for the given name, and the citation for the source:

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/yorkshire/yorkm.html Yorkshire Masculine Names from 1379, by Talan Gwynek

The Family Search Record for the surname cannot be used as there is no batch number and the image is hidden unless you have access. We'd need to see the image to verify the name element in this circumstance.

We can find the name spelled Holliday in Reaney and Wilson, sn Haliday, etc., with dated spellings in 1179-94 and in 1188 and 1524. With the dated spellings we can ask to register the header spelling Holliday.

Device Comments:

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 17:47:26
Appears free of conflict.

Per A6F3a, plain vert quarters avoid the appearance of marshalling.

15: Tom Holiday -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Or, a goat clymant sable collared, belled, and maintaining an escarbuncle of six arms argent.

This submission is to be associated with Tom Holiday

Badge Comments:

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-04 17:39:45
Appears free of conflict.

Want to confirm goat and ram don't conflict, as horns are distinct. I thought I'd seen that somewhere, but can't seem to find it now.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-09-06 20:09:12
"There is a DC between goats and rams, but not a substantial change..." [Tamarra of Dragon's End, 02/2013, R-Æthelmearc]

16: Tryggvi Dáðason -New Name (NP) & New Device

Azure a bend wavy argent between a griffin rampant argent and a sheaf of arrows Or.

No major changes.
Sound most important.
Language/Culture (Norse) most important.

Tryggvi is a masculine personal name found on the Viking Answer Lady site. Source "The Old Norse Name" By Geirr Bassi Haraldsson GB p. 15 s.n.

Dáðason is a patronymic byname found in Iceland in the 10th Century. GB p. 9 s.n. The reference for Dáði is taken from Richard Cleasby and Gudbrandr Vigfussion's "An Icelandic-English Dictionary", second edition. [3]

Submitter intends to use a Genitive son byname, the -i in Dáði will change to an -a with the ending son. This makes the last name Dáðason.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-22 16:50:14
Geir Bassi checks for both name elements, genitive for patronymic checks as well. No conflicts noted.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-22 23:03:39
The name is correctly formed.

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-22 23:04:01
The wavy bend could be wavier.

Tibor the Indecisive (Moonbeam Pursuivant) at 2023-09-03 16:47:39
Appears free of conflict.

Sheaf of arrows should be blazoned …a sheaf of arrows bendwise, points to chief, Or I think.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-03 19:26:49
...a sheaf of arrows inverted bendwise Or

Thus ends the August Internal Letter for Northshield.

In service to Northshield & the College of Arms

Valdís Tempestas Herald

-Keythong Deputy

OSCAR counts 9 Names, 2 Household Names, 1 Order Name, 7 Devices, 3 Badges and 1 Augmentation of Arms. There are a total of 23 items submitted on this letter.

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