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Drachenwald LoI dated 2023-06-29

Unto the College of Arms, greetings from Anna Albion.

We wish to thank Seijka Waldemarsdotter Edelweiss, Nicholas de Estleche dictus le Tardif (Coteswold), Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest), Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle), Iago ab Adam (Wreath), Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff), Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress), Mālik ibn Jinnī (formerly Basil Dragonstrike) (Lions Heart), and everyone who attended the Drachenwald College of Heralds monthly online meeting for their commentary on the Kingdom ILoI.

It is the intent of the Drachenwald College of Heralds that the following submissions be registered.


1: Ellisif Gyðadottir - New Badge (KLoI)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2016, via the West.

Gules, a semy of squirrles courant Or.

Included is an example of a device with a squirrel courant. It's from the 1600 Sammlung von Wappen aus Verschiedenen It's a canting device 'Eichhorn' is German for 'squirrel'.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/140/2023-06-29/08-26-21_squirrelcourant.png


2: Gytha Bielke aff Aningasz - New Name (KLoI) (NP) & New Device (KLoI)

Or, three unicorn's heads erased azure

Submitter desires a feminine name.
The following changes are allowed: changing Aningasz to Aningoijs

Gytha Bielke aff Aningasz is a Swedish name combining a feminine given name with a surname (family name) and a locative byname.

Gytha is a feminine given name. According to Sveriges medeltida personnamn s.n. Gydha (#1), variations of the name are found between 12th and 16th centuries; the form <Gytha> since 1259 ("Gytha tidigast 1259", 'Gytha earliest 1259'). It is also found in SDHK (Medeltidsbrev) letter nr 633 from 1250 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sdhkEndastDigitaliserat=fa...#...)

Bielke is a Swedish family name. The portrait (#2) from 1595 of Ture Bielke af Åkerö (1548-1600) shows the name written as <Bielke> (the portrait is part of the collection of the Swedish National Museum: https://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?...).

aff Aningasz is a locative byname combining the preposition aff 'from' with the placename Aninkainen (in modern Finland). Suomalainen paikannimikirja by Sirkka Paikkala (ed.) s.n. Aninkainen (#3) dates <Aningoijs> to 1543 and <Anigasz> to 1553 (as well as other, earlier, forms with the two 'n's). Thus Aningasz is a plausible form. If the preferred "aff Aningasz" is not considered registrable, the submitter will accept "aff Aningoijs".

<aff> + placename (nom.) as a locative construction can be seen in several names listed in Vanhat nimityyppimme (Finnish Names) by Kerttu Katariinantytär Roisko (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/FinnishNamesArticle.htm):

-s.n. Ambjörn (male): <Ambiorn aff Vmkiala> 1469

-s.n. Cecilia (female): <Cecilia aff Kwrala> 1477

-s.n. Maritta (female): <Maritta Larszdotter aff Oikola> 1551

Vanhat nimityyppimme (Finnish Names) by Kerttu Katariinantytär Roisko (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/FinnishNamesArticle.htm) has an female example of a long name pattern including given name + surname + locative (and adding in a patronym):

-s.n. Filippa (female) <Philipe Erichsdotter Fleming till Yllile> 1578 (given + patronym + family + locative)

Examples of the exact pattern given name + surname + locative (with male given names) in Satakunnan henkilötiedosto 1303-1571 by Seppo Suvanto (#4; the www location is temporarily inaccessible but the data can be accessed at https://web.archive.org/web/20190506193840/https:/... see page numbers below):

-"Michill Karhu aff Nwpala maksoi 1555 samoin leiviskän" ('<Michill Karhu aff

Nwpala> likewise paid in 1555 a talent'), p. 150 s.n. MIKKO HEIKINPOIKA

-"1553 Hendrich Käki aff Selckis maksoi erämaista kalaveroa yhden leiviskän"

('in 1553 <Hendrich Käki aff Selckis> paid fishing tax of wilderness a

talent'), p. 231 s.n. HEIKKI

-1552 <Morthen Tani aff Selkis by>, p.235 s.n. MARTTI

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/140/2023-06-29/08-35-43_Gytha_Bielke_aff_Aningasz_1-name1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/140/2023-06-29/08-35-43_Gytha_Bielke_aff_Aningasz_1-name2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/140/2023-06-29/08-35-43_Gytha_Bielke_aff_Aningasz_1-name3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/140/2023-06-29/08-35-43_Gytha_Bielke_aff_Aningasz_1-name4.jpg


3: Jona Herde - New Name (KLoI) (NP)

Submitter desires a masculine name.
The following changes are allowed: spelling such as Jonah, Yonah but also Herdeh, Herder
Sound (The sound of Jona but alternative spellings are fine) most important.
Meaning (Meaning of the last name (shepherd)) most important.

Jona

Familysearch V-batch https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KB6R-XDG : 19 October 2020, Jona Masline, 7 Aug 1605; citing 7 Aug 1605; citing Burial, Egginton, Egginton, Derbyshire, England, Derbyshire Record Office, England; FHL microfilm 1,042,072.

Jona masline uxot Thome maslinne Sepulta

ffuit 7o die Augustij anno suprascriptis translated to "Jone Masline wife of Thomas Maslinne was

buried 7th day of August in the above written year [1605]". Translated by Nicholas de Estleche dictus le Tardif (Coteswold) see image

Herde Herde is an English surname found in "Index of Names in the 1541 Subsidy Roll of London" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/engsu...#...). It is also an occupational byname found in R&W, sn Herder, with Nicholas le Herder dated to 1327. Per SENA Appendix A for English, markers can be dropped.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/140/2023-06-29/08-52-11_Jona_Masline_-_1605.jpg


4: Lia de Thornegge and Edricus filius Offae - New Badge (KLoI)

OSCAR finds the name (Lia de Thornegge) registered exactly as it appears in December of 2004, via Drachenwald.
OSCAR finds the name (Edricus filius Offae) registered exactly as it appears in June of 2020, via Drachenwald.

(Fieldless) In saltire a weaver's shuttle sable and a knife inverted argent.

Jointly owned with the submitter and Edricus Filius Offae.


5: Safiyya al-Zarqa' bint Garsiyya al-Isbili - New Name (KLoI) (NP) & New Device (KLoI)

Safiyya al-Zarqa' bint Garsiyya al-Isbili

Azure, 6 orange blossoms argent seeded Or, two, one, two and one.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
The following changes are allowed: Necessary corrections for grammatical/period accuracy
Meaning (Signals European descent, al-Andalus, arabic) most important.

Safiyya, Garsiyya, and al-Isbili can be found in the article Andalusian Names: Arabs in Spain by Juliana de Luna (https://heraldry.sca.org/names/andalusia.html)

al Zarqa' can be found in the article Period Arabic names and naming practices by Da'ud ibn Auda (https://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm)

The form is ism + laqab + nasab + nisba: 'Safiyya the blue-eyed daughter of Garcia of Seville'

Mālik ibn Jinnī (formerly Basil Dragonstrike) (Lions Heart) suggests that the name should be registered as Safiyya bint Garsiyya al-Zarqa' al-Isbili His resoning is:

"In the thousands of names I have collected to make up my names lists (https://dragonstrike.neocities.org/names/), I have never found a laqab/nisba coming before an nasab (see https://dragonstrike.neocities.org/arabic/nmfrmgen). The formation is not in Da'us's article.

The formation given appears to be based on the following from Da'ud's article:

Abu Bishr al-Yaman ibn Abi al-Yaman al-Bandaniji

kunya + laqab/ism + one generation nasab [where name of father is a kunya] + nisba

This is a kunya as the first element, not an ism. It seems "al-Yaman" is one of those names that's (as Da'ud puts it) both an ism and a laqab/nisba used as an ism. IOW, the name in the article is a kunya+an ism+a nasab+a "cognomen".

In short, the formation of this name has not been documented, and I find no documentation for it. I believe the name should be Safiyya bint Garsiyya al-Zarqa' al-Isbili

The elements are all found as stated. The use of an apostrophe for a hamza is documented/allowed by SENA Appendix D."

There is a device which is close Alessandra Serena Renda of Gibellina "Azure semy of edelweiss proper, a bordure argent." https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_name.cgi?... The question is if there is enough of a visual difference between the edelweisses and the orange blossoms https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...


Yours in Service,
The Honourable Lady Anna de Byxe, Albion Herald
Drachenwald College of Heralds
[email protected]


OSCAR counts 3 New Names, 2 New Devices and 2 New Badges. These 7 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $28 for them. There are a total of 7 items submitted on this letter.

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