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Meridies ILoI from Meridies dated 2018-07-01

I, Ld Kurt Bogner, for the Kingdom of Meridies, send greetings unto Maistreas Flannait inghean ui hEighnigh, Beacon Herald; THL Ulrich Eisenhand, Pennon Herald; and the commenting heralds of the Meridies Internal Letter of Intent Commentary list.

It is the intent of the Meridian College of Heralds to submit the following names and armory as part of the next external Letter of Intent published by the Pennon Herald.

The pleasure of your response to Pennon is requested no later than July 21, 2018. A decision meeting is tentatively set for the following Tuesday after the 21st. Any changes will be announced through proper channels.

1: Aillene mac Elair mhic Cadhain -Resub Name & Resub Device

Argent, a triskele of hunting horns bells conjoined gules and in chief an eagle sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Irish Gaelic) most important.

Previously submitted name, Ailléne mac Bláth mhic Cadhan was returned.

Must be returned for further work. The first patronymic, "mac Bláth", is constructed with a name that can only be found as a feminine given name. Therefore, it cannot be used to construct a patronymic byname.

The submitter is advised to take care to use the genitive form of given names in the construction of patronymic bynames.

AiIlene - Masculine given name, diminutive of "Ailill", meaning "little sprite, little elf". OCM, p.18, s.n. "Aillén"

mac Eláir - Patronymic formed from the masculine Irish Gaelic given name "Eláir". This name is a borrowing of the Latin name "Hilarius", meaning "cheerful". It is also the name of a hermit, St. Elair of Monahincha (d.807). OCM, p.85, s.n. "Elair". The genitive form of the name is presumed to be identical to the nominative, as indicated in the article "A Brief (and Incomplete) Guide to Forming Genitives of Irish Personal Names" by Heather Rose Jones,

mhic Cadhain - Patronymic formed from the masculine Irish Gaelic given name "Cadhan". Listed as "A very early and rare name perhaps meaining 'a wild goose, a barnacle goose'." This patronymic form is used to indicate the grandfather. OCM, p.40, s.n. "Cadan". The spelling here is the presumed genitive form of the name, using the guidelines in the article by Heather Rose Jones, cited above.

Previous, Argent, in fess a triskele of hunting horns bells to center gules between two eagles volant addorsed sable. was returned.

Must be returned for further work. The eagles depicted in the image were not readily identifiable as eagles; many commentors believed they were, in fact, ravens.

It is recommended that either the horns or eagles are made the primary charge and increased in size, with the other being made a smaller, secondary charge.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:

2: Andreva Rigaldi -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in August of 1997, via Meridies as Eórann inghean Bhroin.

Old Item: Eorann inghean Bhroin, to be released.

Andreva is found in "Names from the Thirteenth Century Languedoc" by Cateline de la Mor

Rigaldi is found in DMNES under s.n. Ricaud dated to 1163. Rigaldi is the genitive form and is being used here as an unmarked patronymic which is allowed under SENA Appendix A for both French and Occitan/Provence

3: Angharad verch Gwilym -New Name & New Device

Argent, a flame purpure and in chief two crosses Moline vert.

Angharad >>> Found in "Women's Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales" by by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

verch >>> Found in "Women's Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales" by by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

Gwilym >>> Found in "Late Sixteenth Century Welsh Names" by Talan Gwynek

Submitter was advised by Cypher that the Flame and the Crosses are very close, but not quite the same, in size, leaving some question as to whether they should be co-primary or secondary. Submitter said that the crosses were intended to be secondary.

4: Aria Sparrow -New Name & New Device

Azure, a dragon in annulo contourny and on a chief enarched argent three lily of the valley sprigs vert flowered purpure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

Aria English feminine given name.

<Aria Whit> was christened In 1636 In Greenwich, Kent, per IGI batch C00632-1

Sparrow 15-16th century English surname. From Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names by Chris Laning (SCA: Christian de Holacombe).

From English Names found in Brass Enscriptions - Surnames I-Z by Julian Goodwyn

5: Domhnall dubh Mac an Tailȝeour -New Name & New Device

Argent, on a bend sinister between a bear and a bull combatant sable three crosses formy palewise argent.

Client requests authenticity for 16th C. Scottish.
Language (Scottish) most important.
Meaning (Donald the dark son of the tailor) most important.

<Domhnall>: masc given name, Early Modern Irish Gaelic,

dubh - Descriptive byname, found in the article, "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Descriptive Bynames" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien),

"Dubh" means "(the) Black", and refers to hair color.

Mac an - Gaelic for son of the

Tailȝeour -- S.n. Tail3eour found twice in Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names Surnames - Draft Edition By Instances by Sharon L. Krossa 1511 (1) , 1514 (1)

A "3" in a spelling represents the letter yogh.

6: Heather ingean Ui Briain -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Meridies LoI of September 30, 2016 as Heather Ingean Ui Briain.

Azure, on a plate between three natural dolphins in annulo argent a natural sea horse vert.

Previous submission, Per bend ermine and azure, three natural dolphins naiant proper was returned by Laurel 12-2016.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Stefan von Baden: Vert, three dolphins naiant argent. There is one DC for the changes to the field, but there is no DC for the change in arrangement, as the position of the dolphin in this device is forced (grey being effectively argent cannot be on an ermine field). There is also no DC for the difference between natural dolphin vs heraldic dolphin.

On redesign, please advise the submitter to use a lighter shade of grey. Proper creatures must still have acceptable contrast with the field. The grey used in this submission bordered on too dark to beused on azure.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:

7: Hesta-finna Hakonsdottir -New Name

The Old Norse Name; Geirr-Bassi Haraldsson; P.22; s.n. Nicknames lists Hesta- as a protothematic nickname meaning "Horse".

IBID; P. 9; s.n. Given Names; lists Finna as a feminine given name

IBID; P.11; s.n. Given Names lists Hakon as a masculine given name

IBID; P.17; s.n. Patronymics would seem to indicate that the proper patronymic form would be Hakonsdottir

In Norse names accents may be dropped as long as this is done uniformly throughout the name.

8: Jamys Ellyn Rothesay of Bannatyne Hall -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 1992, via Meridies.

Per pale gules and sable, a cross pattée alisée and a chief Or crusily sable.

Original submission predates OSCAR. From Sept. 1992 LoAR:

Per pale embattled gules and sable, a cross "formy" Or, a chief Or crusilly sable.

There are three problems with the device as submitted. First, the embattled line is drawn far too small to be considered period style. Second, the cross overlies the complex division between low-contrast colors, making it even harder to identify. Finally, the cross is not truly a cross formy; the submitter is wrong in thinking it a Maltese cross, and we could not document this form in any of our sources. This must be returned, per VIII.3 for the field, and for documentation of the cross.

9: Káta Álarsdottir -New Name

Káta is found at under s.n. Káta.

Álarsdottir is a marked patronymic formed from masculine name Álarr found in Geirr Bassi on p.8

10: Margot de Saint Denis -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2014, via Meridies.

Per chevron inverted gules and azure, a chevron inverted btween a sun in its splendor Or and a lotus blossom argent, a bordure Or.

This device was originally returned 07-2015.

This device is returned for redraw. As depicted, the lotus blossom is not clearly in profile (where it would be cup-chaped) or affronty (where all the petals would be within a circle). As such, it can only be interpreted as being in trian aspect, and thus is not registerable.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:

11: Shannon Conorwyf -New Name & New Device

Bendy sinister argent and vert, and elephant sejant contourny purpure maintaining in its trunk a daisy Or.


Mundane name allowance for given name. This makes her given name temporally and linguistically neutral per SENA PN.2.C.2.d d.

[I saw a photo of the driver's license, sent to me by submitting Herald, and attested by Sol Haven's seneschal. -Cypher]


Conor - from "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents: Men's Names" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien) under "Connor."

*Late period English Names can be used as given names


Late 14th Century English Bynames Indicating Relationships: Wife by Mad ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien)

*Several examples using Husband Patronymic Name:

Alice Caresonewyf 1379 Yorkshire Reaney & Wilson (p. li)

Alicia Dogesonwyf 1379 Lancashire Fenwick 1 (p. 453, col. 5) [Doge - dim. of Roger]

Elena Hobsonwyf 1379 Yorkshire Reaney & Wilson (p. Ii) [Hob - dim of Robert]

Alice Odsonwyf 1379 Yorkshire Reaney & Wilson (p. li) [Odd - from Old English Odda or Old Norse Oddr]

12: Shîrîn al Nîsavî -Resub Name Change From Holding Name

OSCAR NOTE: 'Old Item' should contain the former primary name. The form that is there is not a registered name.

Old Item: Sharon of Meridies, to be released.
Language (Persian) most important.

[OSCAR is saying that old name, Sharon of Meridies, is not registered, but can confirm it is in O&A.-Cypher]

Original submission, Shîrîn al-Nisâ, was returned 07-2017.

This name must be returned as it is not correctly constructed. The element al-Nisâ cannot be used independently as a byname. It is a phrase meaning "of the women," found as part of two compound Persian given names, Fakhr al-Nisâ and Khayr al-Nisâ.


Some Persian Feminine Names and Entymologies by Ursula Georges 14th-15th Cenury

al Nîsavî

Persian Feminine Names from Safivid Period by Aryanhwy merch Catmeal & Ursula Georges 15th-16th Century.

13: Theodora Doukaina -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2013, via Meridies.

Azure, on a plate a pine tree proper.

Original submission, (Fieldless) On a plate a pine tree proper, was returned by Kingdom.

Must be returned for further work. Roundels are considered a means of heraldic display, and as such cannot be both charged and used as a field less badge

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:

14: Þýri Agviðardóttir -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2014, via Meridies.

Purpure, two stags combatant and on a chief argent three oak leaves gules.

15: Tribunas Argyros -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.



16: Zoya Ivanovna Rezanskaya -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1997, via Meridies.

(Fieldless) A domestic cat salient sable playing a recorder argent.

In Service,

Ld Kurt Bogner

(m.k.a. Curtis Halbrook)

1350 Hendon Road

Woodstock, GA 30188

(404) 697-5949

OSCAR counts 8 Names, 2 Name Changes, 9 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 21 items submitted on this letter.

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