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Outlands LoP dated 2018-03-11

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 11th day of March, A.S. LII (2018 CE), does the Honorable Lord Gauvain Eisenbein send greetings on behalf of Master Angus Reid MacFarlane, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for February, 2018. This Letter contains all complete submissions received by Castle Herald between January 2 and February 1.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by March 24th, 2018. The online Rampart meeting to discuss this letter will be held March 21st, 2018. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

Submissions heralds are strongly urged to review the guidelines at: "http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/#castle_instructions", as items not meeting these guidelines will be pended. Pended items will be administratively returned after they have appeared on three Letters of Presentation.

All name submissions should include a satisfactory write-up in the name documentation and commentary section of the submission form (which must also be forwarded in text form to Castle). Name forms with missing, incomplete, or poorly formatted write-ups will be pended until the problem is corrected.

1: Angharad Einarsdottir -New Name & New Device

Or, two wolf heads cabossed addorsed sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Welsh and Norse pre 11th century) most important.
Culture (Welsh and Norse pre 11th century) most important.

Angharad (was hard to find, but found it, this listing came from the Llandav/Lllandaff charters in the from the 5th to 11th century)

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/british1000/appendix4_5.html#app5

Einarrsdottir

Einar is a pretty common Norse man's name

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#e

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml (for patronymic).

Consulting Herald: Jennifer Smith

Branch: Nahrun Kabirun


2: Áskatla Ragnarsdottir -New Name & New Device

Purpure, a cat dormant argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Áskatla

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#a

Ragnarsdottir

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#r

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml (for patronymic)

http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2696.txt

The St. Gabriel article here refers to the use in the 13th century, when the name Ragnar was used but not common, Áskatla is from the 11th century (the early portion), where the name would have been in more common usage, and it is very likely that her father was named after a male ancestor of note who also bore that name, as was customary.

Consulting Herald: Jennifer Smith

Branch: Nahrun Kabirun


3: Auria of St. Golias -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2016, via the Outlands.

A spouted pot gules

Consulting Herald: Aedeluulf

Branch: al-Barran


4: Ceridwen de Gyrlyngton -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1998, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) A comet inverted bend-enarchedwise sable

Consulting Herald: none

Branch: al-Barran


5: Dagrun Ljufudottir -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2016, via the Outlands.

Gyronny arrondi sable and gules a dragon sejant affronty head to dexter and wings displayed Or

The previous submission, Gyronni arrondi sable and gules, a dragon sejant affronty, head to dexter and wings displayed Or, was returned on the February 2016 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2016-01-lop/1602-lor.html) with the following: {The name is returned because Laufey is an unregisterable mythological name as it is the name of the mother of the Norse God Loki, per the April 2002 LoAR - Laufey rauðrefr (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/04/02-04lar.html). The commentors suggested the alternative of Ljúfudóttir which is the closest name, the College of Heralds has found, to what the submitter submitted. The device is returned because of lack of name to send up with it. Emblazon: http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Outlands/2016-02/dagrun-c.jpg}

Consulting Herald: Safiyya

Branch: Unser Hafen


6: Elieth de Salazar -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2015, via the Outlands.

Per bed sinister Or and vert between a bend sinister argent three fusas in bend sinister sable and a stag's head affronty cabossed argent attired Or

This submission is to be associated with The Stag Choir

Consulting Herald: Searlaith inghean Robeaird

Branch: Citadel of the Southern Pass


7: Elizabeth Bakere -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2015, via the Outlands.

Or, three annulets braced two and one within a bordure azure

The previous submission, (Fieldless) Three annulets braced two and one azure within and conjoined to an annulet Or, was returned on the January 2018 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2017-12-lop/1801-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for rework due to it running afoul of SENA A3D1, Clarity of Charge Groups, which states "Having identical types of charges in multiple charge groups on the field blurs the distinction between charge groups. Thus, it is not allowed, except for cotises and endorses around an ordinary." Emblazon: http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Outlands/2018-01/elizabeth-c.jpg}.

The previous submission, (Fieldless) Three annulets interlaced two and one azure, was returned on the April 2016 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/04/16-04lar.html) with the following: {This badge is returned for conflict with the device of Carl of Carolingia: Argent, three annulets azure. There is only one DC for the difference between fielded and fieldless design. The annulets in Carl's device are in the expected two and one configuration and, by precedent, there is no DC for conjoined versus separated charges.}

Consulting Herald: Ragnvaldr of Rendlesham

Branch: Aarquelle


8: Erlendr Erlendsson -New Name & New Device

Azure, a serpent Or, 3 valknuts argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Approximately 12th century Norwegian man, whose father and grandfather had served in the Varingian guard.

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#e

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml (for patronymic)

Consulting Herald: Jennifer Smith

Branch: Nahrun Kabirun


9: Geoffrey fitz Robert -New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2003, via the Outlands.

Geoffrius Robertianus

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for Latinized form of my registered name.
Language (16th century Latin) most important.
Culture (16th century Latin) most important.
Spelling (16th century Latin) most important.

It was common for scientists and scholars of the Renaissance to used Latinized forms of their names when publishing. Niklas Koppernigk published as Nicholas Copernicus, Tyge Brahe became Tycho Brahe, Johann Müller of Königsberg became Regiomontanus, and Peter Apian became Petrus Apianus. (Pannekoek, A. A History of Astonomy, Dover Publications, New York, NY 1961, pp. 178-216)

Geoffrius Robertianus is the Latinized version of Geoffrey fitz Robert (registered March 2003). During the Middle Ages, writers/people Latinized names generally by adding a Latin ending (-us, or -ius) to the person's existing name, not by using a Latin name that means the same thing. The "fitz" meaning "son of" would use the Latin patronymic, which is the insertion of the syllable "-ian" right before the declension indicator at the end of the word. (Smith, Kay. BA, English, Medieval and Renaissance Studies, Ohio State University, personal correspondence June 3, 2010.)

Consulting Herald: none

Branch: al-Barran

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2018-03-11/12-40-58_geoffrey1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2018-03-11/12-40-59_geoffrey2.jpg


10: Gere Thorkelsson -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2006, via the Outlands.

Gules semy of hammers Or

Consulting Herald: Rowland de Grey

Branch: al-Barran


11: Gilbert le Verrat -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2015, via the Outlands.

Sable a saltire gules fimbriated and engould of four boar's heads argent

Consulting Herald: Rowland de Grey

Branch: al-Barran


12: Gormr Ragnvaldsson -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2016, via the Outlands.

Per bend embattled gules and Or a wolf's head couped Or

The previous submission, Per bend dovetailed gules and Or, a bearded axe bendwise and a wolf's head couped counterchanged, was returned on the January 2017 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2016-12-lop/1701-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for violation of SENA A.3.D2c (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A3D2c as the two charges have different blazonable postures. Emblazon: http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Outlands/2016-12/gormr-c.jpg}

The previous submission, Or, a dragon couchant contourny in annulo breathing flames within a crescent gules, a bordure embattled sable, was returned on the June 2016 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/06/16-06lar.html#282) with the following: {This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." As depicted the dragon is not identifiable, which is in large part due to its posture and the fact that the wings are so close to the body that they disappear.}

Consulting Herald: Lorinc Otog

Branch: Nahrun Kabirun


13: Gráinne Socair -Resub Name & New Device

Per bend sinister azure and sable, a bend sinister argent, embourdered argent

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Client requests authenticity for Irish 1400's or later.
Language (Irish 1400's or later) most important.
Culture (Irish 1400's or later) most important.

Gráinne:

- can be found in the Index of Names in Irish Annals: Feminine Given Names 1201-1600 by Kathleen M. O'Brien and is earlier dated 1301-1350. http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/1201-1600.shtml

Socair:

as a period Irish word: meaning "easy, quiet, tranquil" from eDIL, accessed at dil.ie/38224 The word "Socair" is found in "Maig Danab soirbh an saoghal" by Tadhg Óg Ó hUiginn on lines 76 and 85. Tadhg Óg Ó hUiginn lived prior to 1448 and died in 1448, dating "Socair" as a period word, as accessed from CELT at https://celt.ucc.ie/published/G402152.html (The date is found under the bold heading "Profile Description".)

Naming convention: While surnames that were descriptive of personal dispositions are not excessively common, there are examples of such existing. The following examples are all surnames from Rev Patrick Woulfe's Irish Names and Surnames. Each example listed is given with a translation from the source text and the page number on which it was found. ~báb, p. 225 - one of a guileless disposition. ~ de bose, p. 247 - one of somewhat sly and cunning disposition ~ de bul, p 250 - one of a rapacious disposition ~ de uideas, p 281 - the wise ~ dollard, p 282 - the dullard ~ fairsing, p 286 - generous ~ gud, p 294 - the good ~ laigléis, p 301 - the lawless ~ péacóc, p 658 - the peacock, applied to a vain, proud person ~ prút, p. 662 - the proud ~ smeart, p 672 - quick, sharp

the submitter is aware that the word "Socair" may need to be lenited and/or put in a different case of the word (genitive?). The submitter is perfectly amenable to any such changes that are deemed necessary.

The previous submission, Gráinne Sochair, was returned on the September 2017 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2017-08-lop/1709-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for lack of documentation for the surname. Documentation must have dated information for the usage of the name element. The online dictionary provided as "documentation" did not meet this requirement.}

Consulting Herald: none

Branch: al-Barran


14: Gregor der Jüngere -New Name & New Device

Per pale embattled sable and vert, in fess a bear rampant maintaining a hammer and a compass Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 14th C German (northern if it matter).
Language (14th C German (northern if it matter)) most important.
Culture (14th C German (northern if it matter)) most important.
Meaning (14th C German (northern if it matter)) most important.

Gregor: a male given name dated 1389, 1390, 1463 in Medieval German Given Names from Silesia by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm)

der Jüngere: translation for "the younger". Submitter requests that this translation be corrected for 14th century German. "Junc" is found as a German by name meaning 'younger' (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Early_German_Bynames.html). (der) jung(er), de(r) junge(r), der jung(er), der junge(r), and der junger are all found as German descriptive bynames meaning "the younger" (heraldry.sca.org/names/German/surnamesnurndesc.html)

Consulting Herald: Llywus ap Alan

Branch: al-Barran


15: James Dhubh MacPhearson -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

[James] - "Names from 13th Century Scottish Parliamentary Records" Alys Mackyntoich (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Namesfrom13thCenturyScottishParliamentaryRecords.html) documents 'James' as early as the 13th century

Dubh is a descriptive by name meaning "black", probably referring to hair color (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Dub.shtml).

I find the spelling <McPhearsone> and <McPhearsoun> dated to 1649 in a Scots language record in Records of the Parliaments of Scotland to 1707 (http://www.rps.ac.uk/mss/1649/5/50). <MacPhearson> seems a reasonable variant given these two examples. Note that the name would have to expand to <MacPhearson> for registration, because Mc- is a scribal abbreviation.

Bringing the given name into the same time period, <James> appears multiple times in a Scots language record from the same database dated to 1625 (http://www.rps.ac.uk/mss/A1625/10/1).

The previous submission, James MacPhearson, was returned on the January 2015 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/01/15-01lar.html#Outlands_returns16) with the following: {Unfortunately, this name conflicts with the registered Séamus Macpherson:

Conflict with Seamus Mac Duff. In our period, James was pronounced roughly DJAH-m@s, which means that the given names are insignificantly different in sound." [James MacDuff, October 2008, R-Artemisia]

This name conflicts with the registered Seamus O'Gallagher. The substantive part of the bynames is identical, and bynames of relationship confict when the object of the relationships is the same. The given names conflict by precedent: Seamus is a Gaelic rendering of a common period pronunciation of James, in which it has two syllables (so JAY-mus). Thus, the names are not significantly different in sound." [James Gallagher, June 2011, R-Æthelmearc]

In addition, one pronunciation of Macphearson is identical to that of Macpherson. Therefore, this name is nearly identical in sound to Séamus Macpherson and must be returned. We note that it could be registered with a letter of permission to conflict.}

Consulting Herald: Ruadri mac Batin

Branch: Unser Hafen


16: Kaidu Bukhatai -New Name & New Device

Argent enmasoned, a bull rampant gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.

First name Kaidu, not to be confused with Kaidu Ogedei, he is his own Kaidu

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html

Surname Bukhatai, essentially of the bull/ox or bullheaded

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongol.html

Name was chosen to represent a 13th century Mongolian man who is known for being both strong and a bit strong-headed.

Consulting Herald: Jennifer Smith

Branch: Nahrun Kabirun


17: Lorccán Ruad -New Name & New Device

Argent, a wolf sejant ululant gules and on a chief azure two crescents argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Gaelic) most important.

Lorccán: Masculine name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Loccran.shtml) with seven occurrences between 863 and 1162.

Ruad: Middle Irish Gaelic spelling of descriptive by name "ruadh", meaning "red". Also found in nic Bryan at (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Ruadh.shtml) with 78 occurrences between 1039 and 1597, in Index of Names in Irish Annals by Mari Elspeth.

Consulting Herald: Llywus ap Alan

Branch: al-Barran


18: Lucrezia de Carducci -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2016, via the Outlands.

Azure, a horned chamfron and a bordure embattled argent

The previous submission, Azure, two swords in saltire and in base a unicorn statant argent, was returned on the October 2017 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2017-09-lop/1710-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for a redraw as the unicorn, especially its horn, is not identifiable. Commentors suggest drawing a much less delicate horn so it can be identified. Emblazon: http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Outlands/2017-10/lucrezia-c.jpg}

The previous submission, Per saltire azure and argent, two three-towered castles argent and two unicorns rampant gules, was returned on the April 2017 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2017-03-lop/1704-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for a redraw. The Per saltire field division should start in the top corners. Emblazon: http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Outlands/2017-04/lucrezia-c.jpg}

Consulting Herald: none

Branch: al-Barran


19: Martine de La Rochelle -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of November 29, 2016 as submitted.

Azure, three dragonflies within an orle argent

The previous submission, Azure, three dragonflies within an orle argent, was returned on the July 2017 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/07/17-07lar.html#Outlands_returns16) with the following: {This device must be returned administratively. The shape of the submitted shield is not the same as the one on the approved submission form, which is grounds for return.}

The previous submission, Argent, on a pale azure three dragonflies argent, was returned on the November 2016 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2016-10-lop/1611-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for a conflict with Ines de Freitas [07/16 via Ealdormere], Argent, on a pale azure three millrinds argent. There is only 1 DC for the change of millrinds to dragonflies. Emblazon: http://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Outlands/2016-11/martine-c.jpg}

Consulting Herald: none

Branch: Caerthe


20: Phaidra Thebaia -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2015, via the Outlands.

Argent, three hummingbirds rising to sinister, two and one, vert throated gules and a sinister gore purpure estencelly argent

Consulting Herald: Llywus ap Alan

Branch: al-Barran


21: Róis inghean Uí Longáin -New Name & New Device

Per pale azure and sable, a lion rampant and in chief three roses argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Irish Gaelic, family name derived from Longain) most important.
Culture most important.

Róis: from the Index of Names in Irish Annals by Kathleen O'Brien. https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Rois.shtml

O Longáin: from Irish Names and Surnames by rev. Patrick Woulfe, p 589

Naming Conventions: articles from Juliana de Luna, Lillian de Vaux, and Alys Mackyntoich http://heraldry.sca.org/names/resources/irishgaelic.html

Consulting Herald: Michael Mascone

Branch: al-Barran


22: Roland de Grey of Lincolnshire -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

A ewe rampant counter-ermine engorged of a collar and chain argent

Consulting Herald: Rowland de Grey

Branch: al-Barran


23: Ruadrí mac Batín -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2014, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) On a covered stein azure a coney rampant argent

Consulting Herald: self

Branch: Unser Hafen

Correction to Badge (2018-Mar-21 21:03:03): Jointly owned with Martha Grace


24: Somisawhel de Sousa -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2010, via the Outlands.

Argent, a schnecke issuant from sinister base maintaining on the outer swirl three schneckes azure and on a chief azure three gouttes d'eau

Old Item: Argent, a fountain and on a chief azure three gouttes d'eau, to be retained as a badge.

Consulting Herald: Rowland de Grey

Branch: al-Barran


Thus ends the February Letter of Presentation.

The following submissions are pended until the listed problem is addressed:

none

All submissions should follow the guidelines at:

"http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/#castle_instructions".

The following items are administratively returned:

Lisette deTroyes (name and device) - need to submit text copy of the documentation notes

Talorc of Dál Riata (name and device) - withdrawn at the submitter's request

In Service,

Gauvain Eisenbein

Outlands Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 9 Names, 1 Alternate Name, 15 Devices, 1 Device Change and 6 Badges. There are a total of 32 items submitted on this letter.

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