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An Tir LoI dated 2018-02-20

Unto Dame Juliana de Luna, Laurel Queen of Arms; Mistress Alys Mackintosh, Pelican Queen of Arms; Master Cormac Mór, Wreath King of Arms; and all esteemed members of the College of Arms does Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle, Lions Blood Herald, send greetings and salutations;

It is the intent of the An Tir College of Heralds to register the following items. Some of these items have been processed by the Tir Righ College of Heralds and are noted as such:

1: Antigone Attewyll - New Name & New Device

Argent, on a rose sable another argent, a bordure nebuly sable seme of roses argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

Tir Righ Submission

Antigone: https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Antigone

Attewyll: http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/exeter1489.html

Commenters found the following documentation as well:

Antigone- Withycombe sn. Antigone dates it to 1391-1407 as a woman's name.

Attewyll- Surnames from Exeter, 1489 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/exeter1489.html) - Attewyll, Attwyll, Atwyll Loc. 'dweller by the stream or spring'; wyll is a south-western form of well.


2: Bronwen Elgars - New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 1996, via An Tir.

Rannveig skrifari

No major changes.
Language (Icelandic) most important.
Meaning (writer/painter) most important.

Rannveig (with variant Rannveigar)
Female name mentioned 11 times in the Landnamabok (Sturlubok)
Found on-line at ( https://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/landnama.htm )

skrifari
Geir T. Zoëga "A Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic" Clarendon Press, Oxford pg 381
Occupational byname meaning "painter/writer"
skrifari, m. (1) painter; (2) writer, transcriber (klerkr ok s.)
Found online at ( http://norse.ulver.com/dct/zoega/s.html)

No conflicts have been found in Kingdom.


3: Carson Brewer - New Name & New Device

Per bend sable and argent, a hop cone slipped and leaved argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Tir Righ Submission

FamilySearch Historical Records: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJP4-NMV

John Carson marriage 28 Apr 1594 Saint John,Hackney,London,England, Batch Number M04215-1

Surnames can be used as given names in late period England - [September 2012 Cover Letter] From Pelican: Late Period English Given Names Derived from Family Names

FamilySearch Historical Records: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC98-K8Q

Abraham Brewer Male Burial Date 24 Apr 1594 St. Botolph Aldgate, London, England, Batch Number B00047-7


4: Edward de Mosan - New Name & New Device

Per pale azure and Or, a tree blasted and eradicated Or and sable

Tir Righ Submission

For the first name I would submit the research at s-gabriel.org re-linked to dmnes.org on 'Edward' http://dmnes.org/name/Edward (attached)

1420 Edward EEW p. 53

For the byname, I would submit the work done by Aryanhwy merch Catmael linked from s-gabriel.org to her submission site (attached) http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/earlygasconlatin.html

de Mosan 1287

English and French names may be combined, according to SENA Appendix C. Thus, this combination is OK. The overall formation accords with Appendix A.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-07-52_Edward_name_0001.jpeg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-07-52_Edward_name_0002.jpeg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-07-54_Edward_name_0003.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-07-54_Edward_name_0004.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-07-55_Edward_name_0005.jpg


5: Iago ab Adam - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2002, via An Tir.

(fieldless) A griffin's head erased argent beaked Or

Tir Righ Submission


6: James Wolfden of Lions Gate - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2008, via An Tir.

Per fess azure and vert, a wolf rampant contourny argent, issuant from chief a demi-sun Or

Tir Righ Submission


7: Lantswind Vuchselin - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (10th-13th c German) most important.
Culture (10th-13th c German) most important.
Spelling most important.

This name was submitted to Kingdom as Lanzuindae Vuhselin with no major or minor changes checked off on the form. Kingdom commentary discovered that the form submitted was not in the correct case. Emailing with the submitter and reviewing other documentation revealed the submitter was actually more interested in the form Lantswind with a "more German looking" surname. After commentary was closed, a new form was drawn up and given to the submitter for approval as she did not allow changes on the original form. The form here is as decided by the submitter for forwarding to Laurel.

<Lantswind>: "Altdeutsches namenbuch, Band 1" by Ernst Wilhelm Förstemann, book column 836 s.n. Landswinda. <Lantswind> is attested to 779 and 907. (http://books.google.com/books?id=rw4JAAAAQAAJ&oe=UTF-8)

<Vuchselin>: "Some Early Middle High German Bynames with Emphasis on Names from the Bavarian Dialect Area" by Brian M. Scott, sn. VÜHSELÎN dates Joh. Vuchselinus 1234. The expected vernacular of <Vuchselinus> should be <Vuchselin>. (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Early_German_Bynames.html)

Thanks to Maridonna Benvenuti, ffride wlffsdotter & Kolosvari Arpadne Julia for their assistance with this documentation.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=228/2018-02-09/22-11-12_Lantswind_name_0002.JPG


8: Malys mac Neill - New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister argent and azure, a bend sinister counterchanged and overall an ape sejant erect sable collared and chained gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.
Culture (Scottish 13-14 century) most important.

Tir Righ Submission

Submitted as Malys mac Néill

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-19-52_malys_name_001.jpeg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-19-54_Malys_name_002.jpeg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1734/2018-02-11/11-19-55_malys_name_003.jpeg


9: Malys mac Neill - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(fieldless) An ape sejant erect sable collared and chained gules

Tir Righ Submission


10: Morikawa Kenji Katashige - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2016, via An Tir.

Sable, two chevronels braced between a roundel and a stream embowed-counter-embowed argent

This device was originally returned in February 2016 by Laurel for the following:

Morikawa Kenji Katashige. Device. Sable, within two spatterdock leaves conjoined in annulo the kanji for "water" argent.

This device is returned for violating SENA A2C1 which states that "Elements must be drawn in their period forms". No dated documentation was provided by the submitter or in commentary to support the use of the charges used in this design in period.

This decision was appealed, and Laurel upheld the decision in February 2017:

Morikawa Kenji Katashige. Device. Sable, within two spatterdock leaves conjoined in annulo the kanji for "water" argent.

This device previously was returned in February 2016 "for violating SENA A2C1 which states that 'Elements must be drawn in their period forms'. No dated documentation was provided by the submitter or in commentary to support the use of the charges used in this design in period."

On this appeal, the submitter made an effort to document demi-hollyhock leaves as a period charge. Unfortunately, the documentation provided did not support the design used in the submission. The single picture supplied by the submitter of a visually similar design was undated, and thus is not reliable evidence of a period heraldic practice. Further, while there is evidence that hollyhock leaves were used in Japanese heraldry, no evidence of a demi-hollyhock leaf (or any kind of demi-leaf) was provided by the submitter or found by commenters. Therefore, this appeal is denied and the device must be returned again.

The submitted design most closely resembles stylized apricot leaves that were found in period Japanese heraldry, but not closely enough to allow the submitted design to be blazoned as apricot leaves. We suggest the submitter consider using the documented period apricot leaf design (such as that found here: http://mon.xavid.us/Mon/Apricot%20Leaves%20with%20Character%20in%20Ring) to achieve a substantially similar design.

This submission is a compete redesign.


I remain,

In service to An Tir,

Viscountess Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle

Lions Blood Herald


OSCAR counts 5 New Names, 1 New Alternate Name, 5 New Devices and 2 New Badges. These 13 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $52 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 14 items submitted on this letter.

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