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Lochac LoI dated 2017-12-28

Unto the Lochac College of Heralds and those of the known world does Lord Gunther Boese, Rocket Herald Send greetings.

It is our intention to register the following heraldic submissions.

1: Anne de Tournai - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2014, via Lochac.

Gules semy of seeblätter Or

Consulting Herald Amelot de Akeney

Notes from Kingdom

The pictures were updated with the permission of the submitter.

The blazon was changed from "Gules a semy of seeblatter Or." to "Gules semy of seeblätter Or".

Amanda Martel at 2017-11-24 01:06:59
No conflicts found.

Eleyne de Comnocke at 2017-11-24 01:35:59
Before SENA this registration would have been blocked by:
Graidhne ni Ruaidh The following badge associated with this name was registered in January of 1987 (via the Middle): Gules, three hearts, one and two, Or. with one DC for number. However there is now a SC between 3 and semy of charges so this is clear. Steppes, Barony of the The following badge associated with this name was registered in May of 1989 (via Ansteorra): Sable, seme of oak leaves Or. I believe there will be a DC between oak leaves and seeblatter, in which case this is also clear, but I couldn't find any precedent on the matter.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-24 14:32:43
Both seeblatter and oak leaves are found as charges in period, so we grant them difference. No conflict found.
http://mistholme.com/dictionary/seeblatt/
http://mistholme.com/dictionary/leaf/


2: Anne Sabina Schmidt - New Name & New Device

Vert, a sea-horse contourny argent and a gore sinister ermine

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Consulting Herald Veronica Bellini

Anne Ursula Schmidt was Christened in 1640 in Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRP5-RPP This is the only example of the name being used together in Germany

Anne Zipffel was Christened in 1568, Wuerttemberg, Germany https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8MY-X5K

Sabina Eyblin was Christened in 1568, Wuerttemberg, Germany https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHB2-MHL

Anna Schmidt in 1564 Christened in Württemberg, Germany https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNZJ-M8N

Name notes from kingdom

Amanda Martel at 2017-11-24 01:13:58
No name conflicts found.

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2017-11-24 01:39:16
all documentation check out as used

Device notes from Kingdom

Blazon was changed from "Vert, a gore sinister ermine and a hippocampus sinister Argent" to "Vert, a sea-horse contourny argent and a gore sinister ermine".

Amanda Martel at 2017-11-24 01:12:21
No device conflicts found.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-11-25 00:58:25
The ermine spots here are inverted. This will likely only draw an artists note such as the one given to Crundmáel Mac Feradaig (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=35848): "Please advise the submitter to draw the ermine spots oriented in their default direction. These are obviously recognizable as ermine spots, even though they are inverted, and they do not receive difference from other forms of ermine spots, but we have no evidence of such a depiction of ermine spots in period armory." [December 2013 via An Tir]

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-30 11:28:08
They are not. This is an ermine spot, with the V shape and the dots below it, that can be found online. I don't know its provenance, but there it is.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-11-30 11:46:07
These spots are identical to the ones in the submission I link to above, which recieved the quoted admonition. The image you give only shows that someone somewhere decided that a V with dots below looked cool. It tells us nothing about period depictions of ermine spots.

The debate continued with more pictures you can view it at http://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=18&id=81319

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-12-28/20-51-53_T-11-28-08_erminespots.jpg


3: Francesco Arcarius - New Name & New Device

Azure, a bird migrant argent between in chief a label Or and in base an anvil argent

Consulting Herald Gunther Boese

Francesco is listed with the following entry "Italian: 1429-1430 Francesco DiaryLMA p. 250; 1450 Francesco VitAs2 I; 1490 Francisco (abl) ibid. II; 1513x1521 Francescho LeoX p. 16, Francesco ibid. p." in "Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources" http://dmnes.org/2017/1/name/Francis. Thus it can be used as an Italian given name.

Arcarius is listed in "Masculine Names from Thirteenth Century Pisa: Bynames By Frequency" by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) as an Italian Byname. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/pisa/pisa-bynames-freq.html

Name notes from kingdom

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-24 19:20:28
Docs check out. I trust submitter is content with <Arcarius> for documents (like our scrolls) and perhaps knows that the period spoken Italian is likely to have been <Arcario>, as in modern instances. Unfortunately, I'm not finding that in anything period from Google Books, nor via Morsulus's bottom field.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-30 13:24:09
"in 1521 (one year after the beginning of Ercole's episcopacy) a letter from Giovanni Arcario speaks of a solemn mass of the Virgen sung..."

Music and Patronage in Sixteenth-Century Mantua https://books.google.com/books?id=A610-AlWbQIC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=giovanni+arcario&source=bl&ots=Yz fL5HUaKJ&sig=M2qOKqqxbeETNfDBbYovRmPsPmo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs0qCRgufXAhVG4IMKHSaSBtgQ6AEIQDAH#v =onepage&q=giovanni%20arcario&f=false

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-30 18:23:37
Firmly establishing that a modern scholar uses the spelling <Arcario>. Too bad that Fenlon doesn't provide a transcription of the relevant passage.

Device notes from kingdom

Blazon was changed from "Azure, a falcon displayed argent, a label in chief Or and an anvil in base argent." to "Azure, a bird migrant argent between in chief a label Or and in base an anvil argent".

Fiora Vespucci at 2017-11-24 04:42:36
Birds, when displayed, are generally shown from the ventral side with their head turned. This looks like a... bird's-eye view (sorry, couldn't help myself). I'd suggest changing the artwork to something in a more authentic posture to avoid a return. Edit: I'd also show its feet.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-11-24 06:22:30
This is "Azure, a bird migrant argent between in chief a label Or and in base an anvil argent.". I think that's a perfectly legit and registerable blazon, but it's not an identifiable 'falcon' and it's not displayed.
No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-24 19:14:01
Concur that if submitter wants a falcon in the blazon, he needs to draw one in the emblazon. And just to leave your blazon where even a hurried submission herald can't miss it:

Azure, a bird migrant argent between in chief a label Or and in base an anvil argent

Iago ab Adam at 2017-11-24 15:17:36
There is a step from period practice for the use of birds in the migrant posture, but that's the only one I see.


4: Grissel Gray - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Scots or Scots / English border late period) most important.
Culture (Scots or Scots / English border late period) most important.

Consulting Herald Lowry ferch Gwynwynwyn ap Llewelyn

Grissel is a female Scottish given name from 1596 as found in "Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue: Grisel" by Sara L. Uckelman http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/dost/grisel.html.

Thomas Gray was baptised in Stirling, Stirling, Scottland in 1591 as found in Family Search batch C11490-2 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTFL-RQ2.

Notes from kingdom

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2017-11-24 02:26:04
documentation checks out. No conflict found


5: Isolda Deye - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2015, via Lochac.

(Fieldless) A brown squirrel contourny proper maintaining a trefoil sable.

Consulting Herald Gunther Boese

Notes from kingdom

Blazon was changed from "(Fieldless) A squirrel contourny proper maintaining a trefoil sable." to "(Fieldless) A brown squirrel contourny proper maintaining a trefoil sable.".

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-11-24 06:27:08
No conflicts found.


6: Linet atte Falcons Nest - New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2015, via Lochac.

House Falkenburg

Sound (German) most important.

Consulting Herald Tobias Chester

Falkenburg is a German Byname dated to 03 May 1609 when Johannem Falkenburg was Baptised. Father was Johannis Falkenburg. As found in Family Search Batch J96886-1 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRY2-SHF

The Social Politics of Medieval Diplomacy: Anglo-German Relations (1066-1307) By Joseph Patrick Huffman (Google Books) pages 294-297 https://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Social_Politics_of_Medieval_Diplomac.html?id=yTaw3wmnlo8 C&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false mentions Dieter of Falkenburg and Falkenburg Castle.

Notes from kingdom

Amelot de Akeney at 2017-11-23 22:50:32
Would the household designator for this one not be "Haus" rather than "House"?

Juetta Copin at 2017-11-24 05:05:12
If they want the lingua anglica designator, it should be House *of* Falkenburg. I don't know if the German Haus requires a preposition.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-24 15:13:59
Both English and German forms requre addition of the preposition to avoid a return.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-24 20:32:04
Concur. For the English, one need only search Morsulus for the phrase House X to confirm that we don't DO <House X>. But <Falkenburg House>, <Falkenburg's House>, and <House of Falkenburg> are all registerable as English constructions according to "From Pelican: Some Name Resources (An Ongoing Series)" on http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03cl.html. As for wholly German constructions:

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/02/12-02lar.html s.nn. Martelle von Charlottenburg and Eric von Charlottenburg. Household name Haus zum Charlottenburg, declares:

In August of 2010, examples of household names derived from placenames were cited in the Letter of Acceptances and Returns. It said in part:
Die Hausnamen und Hauszeichen im mittelalterlichen Freiburg, by Karl Schmidt, published 1930 (The housenames and housesigns of medieval Freiburg), shows no example of housename using the word "Haus" that does not include an article/preposition combination (which isn't to say they might not have existed, just that in medieval Freiberg they didn't).... Ortnamen (Placenames): zum Hohen Asperg 1565 zum Basler 1587 zum Bondorf 1343 zum Freiberger 1374 zum Briedenweiler 1565 zumm Opfinger 1404 zum (O:)sterreich 1554 zum R{o:]mer 1403 zum Schwarzwald 1378 zum Unger 1452.
This is in error, insofar as neither the published http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/08/10-08lar.html nor its cover letter contains the quoted text. However, essentially the same discussion with examples "based on Bär (bear)" does occur in http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/12/09-12lar.html s.nn. Sebastian of Grey Niche and Beatrix von Behr. Joint household name Haus zum Behrer ...

More recently, at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/06/15-06lar.html#243, Stefanu de Mohac. Household name Rosenow Haus: "This household name is returned because no evidence of the pattern place name + Haus [the reverse of this submission] could be found. We note that the forms Haus zum Rosenow and Haus zum Rosenower (using an adjectival form of the place name) are registerable under current precedent:" and quotes the entire December 2009 precedent with approval.

Looks like <Haus zur Falkenburg> is possible. ("Burg" is a feminine noun, where the examples with <zum> above all happen to be masculine or neuter.)

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/08/10-08lar.html s.n. Andreas der Eisfalke declares, "No support could be found for the construction Haus von placename", so while "von Falkenburg" is probably an acceptable byname, "Haus von Falkenburg" is not an acceptable household name.

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2017-11-24 02:33:59
documentation checks out

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-30 13:35:26
I don't know what we want to do other than make the submitter aware, but Haus Falkenberg appears to be a large hotelier/extended-stay business throughout Germany and Austria. http://www.haus-falkenberg.de/


7: Merlin Grindall le Chat - New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name on the Lochac LoI of September 24, 2017 as submitted.

Ruby Meow

No changes.

Consulting Herald ffride wlffsdotter

Ruby
Ruby Spinny, female, Winterborne-Kingston, Dorset, England. Batch no. C16015-1 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQNJ-S68)

Meow
Lawrance Meow, male, Saint Mary,Blackburn,Lancashire,England. Batch no. M00708-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL4S-RRM)

Notes from kingdom

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2017-11-24 02:34:58
no conflict. docs checked out

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-24 21:06:41
Documentation citations should include dates for validity. Thus:

Ruby Spinny, female, christened 22 May 1625, Winterborne-Kingston, Dorset, England. Batch no. C16015-1 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQNJ-S68)

(Submitter may be interested to know that S.L. Uckelman, ed. The Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources, Edition 2017, no. 1. http://dmnes.org/2017/1/name/Ruby, has 1581 Ruby.)

Lawrance Meow, married Grace Entwisle, 25 Feb 1635, Saint Mary, Blackburn, Lancashire, England. Batch no. M00708-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL4S-RRM)

(Not that the count matters for acceptability, but although he is the only one with that byname before 1650 at FamilySearch, there are half a dozen others in the rest of the century. The few other Pelican-acceptable instances of <Ruby> at the site are Ruby Kayme, married Elias Jeffrey, 23 Mar 1611, Cranbrook, Kent, England, M01908-4; Ruby Harke, married John Hoskin, 20 Jul 1618, St Erney, Cornwall, England, M05312-1; and interestingly, Ruby Canellas, married Tony Moral, 31 Jan 1599, Santa Eulalia, Papiol, Barcelona, Spain, M88948-2. With that spouse name, could we call her name English? Neither looks like a Spanish spelling.)


8: Saint Crispin, College of - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1999, via Lochac.

Azure, within a laurel wreath a sea-horse and on a chief invected argent three lymphads gules.

Consulting Herald Bjorn Bassason

Notes from previous returns

[June 2001 LoAR, R-Lochac]

Saint Crispin, College of. Device. Per bend azure and argent, a seahorse naiant argent and an open book gules within a laurel wreath vert.

The presence of the seahorse makes the seahorse, book, and laurel wreath all part of the primary charge group, thus violating the rule of thumb in RfS VIII.1.a, Tincture and Charge Limit, limiting a single group to no more than two types of charges.

[February 2015 LoAR, R-Lochac]

Saint Crispin, College of. Device. Azure, a sea-horse within a laurel wreath and on a chief invected argent three lymphads with sails furled gules.

Unfortunately, this device is returned administratively for lack of evidence of support. Per the Administrative Handbook IV.C.5, submissions involving the branch arms must include evidence of support for the action. No petition of support for the device submission was included.

April 2016 LoAR-Errata

April 2004

Lochac

Saint Crispin, College of. Device. Azure, a seahorse within a laurel wreath and on a chief invected argent a lymphad gules.

This registration should have appeared on the April 2004 LoAR. Instead, it was unfortunately combined with the Canton of Cluain, whose name and device were also pended, but which were listed on the LoAR as Cluain's name and Saint Crispin's device. This was partially corrected on the Laurel Letter of Pends and Discussion for July 2004, where it listed Cluain's correct device and stated "The device for the other branch was registered in May 2004 under the correct branch name." However, there is no mention on the May 2004 LoAR of Saint Crispin's device either. Cluain's name and correct device were accepted on the January 2005 LoAR, but Saint Crispin's device fell entirely through the cracks.

Notes from Kingdom

This device was held for a month at Kingdom until proof of support was provided. This is now in the packets.

The blazon was changed from "Azure, within an laurel wreath a hippocamp and upon a chief engrailed argent three lympads gules." to "Azure, within a laurel wreath a sea-horse and on a chief invected argent three lymphads gules.".


9: Torlyon, Canton of - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Per chevron argent and azure, three crosses flory counterchanged.

This submission is to be associated with Populace Badge

Consulting Herald Isabella de Bordeaux

Notes from kingdom

Blazon was changed from "Per chevron argent and azure, 3 cross flory counterchanged" to "Per chevron argent and azure, three crosses flory counterchanged.".

Torlyon changed from being a shire to a canton two years ago and that is why OSCAR can't find the name.

No conflicts were found.


10: Undewyn Maccuswell - New Name & New Device

Per pale vert and gules, a stag's head cabossed argent and a bordure Or.

Consulting Herald Gunther Boese

Black sn. Maccus
Maccus filius Undewyn, witness in Earl David's Inquisitio c.1124 (REG p. 5).

sn. Maxwell
"Maccus, son of Undewyn, a Saxon lord, in the reign of David I, obtained a grant of land... before 1150 (Morton, p. 16)."

and "John de Maccuswell filius Herbert, vicecomes, witnessed a charter by Bernard de Haudene to Kelso, c. 1210 (Kelso, 213.)

Name notes from kingdom

The documentation was changed as a result of comments. The original can be found at http://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=18&id=81401

Device notes from kingdom

Blazon was changed from "Per pale vert and gules, a stags head argent and a bordure Or." to "Per pale vert and gules, a stag's head cabossed argent and a bordure Or.".


My thanks to all those who commented at kingdom level.

Yours in service to Lochac,

Gunther Rocket


OSCAR counts 4 New Names, 1 New Alternate Name, 1 New Household Name, 3 New Devices and 3 New Badges. These 12 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $48 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 13 items submitted on this letter.

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