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Northshield ILoI dated 2017-12-21

Greetings unto Honourable Lord Iohannes Glenfidanus, Polaris Herald, the Heralds of Northshield, and our brethren from other kingdoms. Herein please find the Northshield December Internal Letter. Comments are due by January 20, 2018.

1: Charlotte Almary -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Charlotte - dated to 15-16th c "Late Period French Feminine Names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html)

Almary - "French Surnames from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Friedemann) (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423surnames.html)

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2017-12-22 06:41:52
Docs check out. Addtional doc for Charlotte is "Names from Lallaing 1384-1600: Feminine Given Names" by Domhnall na Moicheirghe, Charlotte is found 3 times & dated to 1447-1566 no photocopy. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/lallaing/lallaing_names_feminine_given.html

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:51:36
Docs check out.


2: Ealdred of Malmesbury -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2014, via Northshield.

Per pale wavy gules and argent, two coin punches palewise argent and a hammer bendwise sable

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 20:46:23
I'm fairly sure there's a Unity problem here.

Bridget ni Cathasaigh at 2017-12-21 21:20:34
What is a "Unity problem"?

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2017-12-21 21:33:27
Unity of Posture and Orientation: The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 21:37:48
A problem under http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A3D2c, "Unity of Posture and Orientation":

The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures.
Thus, when half the primary charge group is palewise and the other half bendwise, SENA finds the design to be unacceptably complicated style.

(Thank you for asking.)

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-12-22 09:21:09
The SCA has not registered anything with the blazon term "punch" since 1995. This charge will likely require documentation in order to be registered under SENA.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-12-22 11:44:16
According to the depiction in Mistholme, the ones here would be inverted. http://mistholme.com/dictionary/punch/

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-22 12:24:04
At https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=81751, the Middle is processing a well-documented coin die set, incorporating the punch.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:52:10
No conflicts found.

Konstantia Kaloethina (Greek Fire) at 2018-01-04 13:13:59
I wish the punches had a bit more punch and were bigger.


3: Joseph Leveson -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2016, via Northshield.

Sable, upon a hanging balance Or a mask of comedy and a mask of tragedy argent

Device Comments:

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-12-22 09:41:13
I find no conflict.

Though there are very recent (2016) registrations without comment of masks of comedy and tragedy in the same device, I can find no explicit precedent explaining why this doesn't run afoul of our sword-and-dagger rule.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:52:28
No conflicts found.


4: Just Von Stichem -New Name & New Badge

(Fieldless) A crane in its vigilance Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Sourced from Family Search

Just - Just Gruenig, M, 24 Feb 1555, Hessen, Germany, Batch # M91675-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCFZ-2WM)

Von Stichem - Lambertus Gilles Von Stichem, Male, 29 Aug 1622, Christening Place Preußen, Germany, Batch # C39715-2 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1)

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:53:01
I see that Family Search now requires a log in.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2018-01-01 21:27:29
It went into effect the 13th of last month. The LDS church is taking more control over access to its data. However, an account is free for non-members. I have had an account for years with no problems. It is an issue I have raised, but no discussion has taken place.

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 20:52:22
As blazoned, conflict with Dasha Miloslava Broussard's device (Jan 1996), Quarterly argent and vert, a crane in its vigilance Or. Single DC for fieldlessness.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 21:08:42
If the stone were darkened significantly and was reblazoned to match that emblazon, viz., (Fieldless) A crane in its vigilance Or maintaining a stone sable, would that clear the conflict?

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2017-12-21 21:29:25
I was told that the stone is part of the crane in its vigilance.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 22:33:37
Well, it's certainly necessary. I'm not sure "part of" is quite accurate. How about, after the manner of an ancient blazon, that of Nicorlynn of Caer Wydyr's device, Oct 1970, Or, seated on a fountain, a mermaid in her vanity azure, comb and mirror argent, and others I believe I've seen similarly structured, blazoning

(Fieldless) A crane in its vigilance Or, the stone sable

Which might still permit finding a second DC for tincture of the secondary charge group.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-12-22 09:33:36
Given that the stone is part of the posture, and can theoretically be any tincture in the device against which conflict is being called, I'm not certain we'd give difference.

There's no explicit precedent regarding a crane's stone and whether its tincture counts for difference since the ruling in 2015 regarding maintained charges counting for difference, so this could be sent up with a request for a ruling, but it's probably worth contacting the submitter to see if they'd prefer to wait for a ruling or consider a redesign.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-12-22 11:58:50
I found no rulings on the stone as part of a crane in its vigilance since the change in status of maintained charges. This may require a ruling by Wreath.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:53:27
Agree about the conflict with Dasha. Not sure whether retincturing the stone would make a difference.


5: Kristyan Applegate -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2008, via Northshield.

Argent, semy of crows close to sinister sable

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 20:53:34
Our non-eagles default to close, so blazon will probably become

Argent, semy of crows contourny sable

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 20:56:27
Is three rows of three charges an acceptable depiction of semy?

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-12-22 09:37:43
9 is more than acceptable for seme--anything 6 or more is indistinguishable from seme, heraldically, and this fills the space nicely.

In fact, if we tried to explicitly blazon this as "nine crows, three, three, and three" it would likely be changed at Wreath to "seme" anyway.

This is clear of: Raven Mayne The following device associated with this name was registered in January of 2012 (via Atenveldt): Argent semy of ravens volant sable.

With an SC for posture of the primary charges.

I find no conflict.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:53:51
No conflicts found. Agree with Gerard's reblazon.


6: Leonia Talbot -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2005, via Northshield.

(Fieldless) A lion rampant maintaining in its sinister paw a sword sable

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-12-21 21:04:33
Our lions are rampant by default, and this is the default posture for our swords, so theoretically this could be

(Fieldless) A lion maintaining in its sinister paw a sword sable

But there are hundreds of lion rampants in the O&A.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-12-22 09:38:58
I find no conflict. All of the lions rampant maintaining swords have secondary charges.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:54:16
No conflicts found. Agree with Gerard's blazon tweak.


7: Romer Marshall -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Submission History: Previous submission, <Marshall Romer>, was returned on the June 2016 LOAR as follows:

" . . . . As this name can be interpreted as [title] + [surname], we are forced to return this name under PN4B1 of SENA. As in the precedent above, the pattern [given name] + Marshall + [surname] would avoid the appearance that Marshall is a title or form of address." (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/06/16-06lar.html#Northshield_returns17)

Commentary on March 2016 LoI (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=62716)

Romer is an English surname (used as a given name in late period England) found in Family Search:

Robtus <Romer>, Male, Burial Date 13 Apr 1571, England, Batch Number B02037-0 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRH9-94T)

Marshall is an English surname dated from 1521-1615, found in "Surnames in Durham and Northumberland, 1521-1615: Most Widespread Surnames" by Julie Kahan (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/parish/surnames_top.html)

Use of English surname as given name is permitted in late period.


8: Winifride Barnes -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Winifride is found in "Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources" - f. (n/a) ● Early Modern English. Cambridge, Cambridge, England . 1572. CAmar-vol1 p. 2 (http://dmnes.org/cite/Winifride/1572/CAmar-vol1)

Barnes is found in "Surnames in Durham and Northumberland, 1521-1615: Most Widespread Surnames" by Julie Kahan (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/parish/surnames_top.html)

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2017-12-22 06:32:21
Docs check out. Lovely name. Additional doc for Barnes, Reaney & Wilson, s.n. Barnes shows Joan Barnes 1450, no photocopy.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-01-01 14:54:55
Docs check out.


Thus ends the December Internal Letter for Northshield.

In service to Northshield & the College of Arms

Mistress Mira Fastova

Keythong Herald


OSCAR counts 4 Names, 2 Devices and 3 Badges. There are a total of 9 items submitted on this letter.

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