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Lochac LoI dated 2017-11-24

Unto the Lochac College of Heralds and those Heralds of the Knowne World does Lord Gunther Boese, Rocket Herald send greetings.

It is our intention to register the following:

1: Bordescros, Shire of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2002, via Lochac.

Per chevron purpure fretty and Or, and a bunch of grapes vert.

This submission is to be associated with Populace Badge

Consulting Herald Gunther Boese


2: Caterina Vasari da Firenze - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Lochac LoI of October 28, 2016 as submitted.

Per chevron embattled argent and vert, two crosses clechy gules and an eagle rising wings displayed argent

Consulting Herald Miguel de Santiago

Device notes from Kingdom

Blazon was corrected from "Per chevron embattled argent and vert, two crosses clechy gules and an eagle rising, wings raised argent." to "Per chevron embattled argent and vert, two crosses clechy gules and an eagle rising wings displayed argent"

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-24 04:50:02
No conflicts found. Nothing problematic with this field or with crosses amongst the rising birdies.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-24 04:50:53
No conflicts found. Nothing problematic with this field or with crosses amongst the rising birdies.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-24 00:15:34
Name registered January 2017.


3: Duncan Prymrois - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Lochac LoI of April 26, 2017 as submitted.

Azure, a stag beetle Or within an orle of primroses argent.

Consulting Herald Bjorn Bassason

Notes for previously returned device
[July 2017 LoAR, R-Lochac]
Duncan Prymrois. Device change. Azure, a stag beetle Or. This device is returned for conflict with the badge of Lavinia of Catmere, (Fieldless) A ladybug Or marked sable. There's a DC for fielded vs fieldless armory, but nothing for the black spots, and nothing for changing the type of beetle.

Duncan Prymrois was registered in July of 2017 (via Lochac). The following device associated with this name was registered in February of 2014 (via Lochac):
Azure, on a bend sinister cotised Or a stag beetle sable.

Device Comments from Kingdom

Reblazon from "Azure a semi of primrose argent, a stag beetle Or." to "Azure, a stag beetle Or within an orle of primroses argent."

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-23 13:23:11
No conflicts found.


4: Gunther Boese - New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2013, via Lochac.

Haus zum Wolf

Language (German) most important.

Consulting Herald Gunther Boese

Haus zum Wolf is listed as an example of a period German household name using the Inn Sign method in the February 2013 LOAR http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/02/13-02cl.html.

"Alys's Simple Guide to Household Names" (DRAFT IN PROGRESS (October 2016)) by Mistress Alys Mackyntoich, OP, OL http://alysprojects.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/alyss-simple-guide-to-household-names.html uses as an example "Haus zum Eichhorn (1460), found in Bahlow s.n. Eichhorn" (House of the Unicorn) to show the pattern "Haus zum + heraldic charge". A wolf is a well recognised heraldic charge, thus "Haus zum Wolf" is a credible period German Household name.

Comments from Kingdom

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-24 02:01:20
Wülfslager. This household name was registered to Garick Köpke in November of 1989 (via An Tir).

The substantive element is Wolf versus Wülf. The designator would be Lager. I believe these will conflict.

[November 1989 LoAR, A-An Tir]
Garick Köpke. Addition of designation of House Wülfslager to previously registered badge. Or, two wolves salient respectant and a chief dancetty sable. Several commentors noted that the English translation of this designation ("Wolf's Lair") was identical to the usual English translation for Hitler's field headquarters. In point of fact, the name associated with Hitler was "Wolfsschanze". As Badger noted, the two terms are quite distinct in German and so may be registered in the German form. Note that the English form "Wolf's Lair" could not be registered under the old rules or the new rules since the form does appear commonly in contemporary and historical English sources for Hitler's headquarters and thus would be protected as an actually used name. For an analogue, see the example of Karl der Grosse and Charlemagne in the new rules (V.4.b, p.6).

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-10-24 04:07:59
That's weird -- the O and A entry for Garick Köpke has both "Wülfslager" and "House Wülfslager":

http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Garick%20Kopke

If it's "House Wülfslager," then the substantive element is Wolf vs. Wülfslager. If it isn't, then they would conflict.

The March 1989 An Tir LoI, entry number 12 gives the household name as House Wülfslager.(http://oscar.sca.org/dis-onefile.php?W=LoI/AnTir/1989_03_08/page_03.jpg from http://oscar.sca.org/dis-loiloc.php?W=LoI/AnTir/1989_03_08/) And as Magnus has pointed out, the LoAR also uses "House Wülfslager" with a designator. So I suspect there's an error in the O and A.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-24 10:31:14
I think this difference in the registered name should be Pelican's problem to rule on. Lager can be translated as lair, den, or camp, all of which can be a designator for a household.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-24 15:48:37
The only hit Morsulus gets on Wülfslager is the Nov 1989 action for House Wülfslager. This suggests that the bare name in the O&A is indeed an error.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-24 17:53:14
I searched the LoARs under both spelling of Garik and there is only the one entry. With something that old, it is difficult to tell which one is wrong.

Time to ring for the Archivist and look at Garik's original form for Wülfslager (if it still exists). Then one of the items will need to be corrected.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-25 12:13:54

Archivist's one-sentence response in full:

The original form for the household name submission does NOT have 'House' written on it anywhere.

Shauna

So unless Laurel's registration of what wasn't asked for is valid ...


5: Hrolf Herjolfssen - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1983, via the West.

Per pale Or and sable, a double-headed eagle displayed and in chief two suns in splendor counterchanged.

Consulting Herald Drusticc inigena Eddarrnonn

Notes from Kingdom

This was listed as a resub in Kingdom, it isn't and so that has been changed.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-23 10:54:32
No conflicts found. This is clear from Wulfbrand Weigand 'Per pale Or and sable a double headed eagle displayed, a bordure semy of lozenges counterchanged' by the type of secondary and removal of the tertiaries.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-24 01:45:25
It is not a resubmission but a New Badge. The submitter resubmitted and registered the following device in November of 1985 (via the West):

Quarterly sable and Or, a sun, cardinal points throughout, within an orle of roundels counterchanged.

And his name is misspelled on the November 1985 LoAR entry for his device registration. Errata for Laurel.


6: Lilavati of Lochac - New Name & New Device

Quarterly purpure and Or, a mascle counterchanged.

Sound (See consultation notes) most important.
Language (See consultation notes) most important.
Culture (See consultation notes) most important.

Consulting Herald Padraig Chaine Shotte

Lilavati: Female Rajput given name, documented in "Rajput Women's Names" by Lisa Darcy, digital copy appended to this submission.

Note that this source explicitly documents the name "Lilavatibai" and notes that the "-bai" suffix is an honorific. Submitter would prefer the name "Lilavatibai" since she is a countess (as per Lochac Canon Lore https://lochac.sca.org/canon/person.php?id=2215 ), but is happy to settle for "Lilavati.".

of Lochac: Branch name allowance, as per SENA PN.1b2f

Name notes from Kingdom

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-10-24 18:35:34
Honorifics are not the same in Indian names. They use the word for 'goddess' to mean 'pretty woman', and they throw avatar names of gods and goddesses around as devotionals left and right. They also change their names to reflect an increase in their status.

Lilavati or Leelavathi comes from Sanskrit leela, 'to play' and vathi, a goddess name. It happens to be the title of a mathematical treatise from the 12th c. https://books.google.com/books?id=0KMIAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Lots of famous women get recorded with Bai or Devi added onto their name. It can certainly be viewed as honorific, but it's nothing like a title. On the other hand, it's not what you'd name your baby, either, especially in the medieval period. (Rani Lakshmibai was born Manikarnika Tambe and changed her name completely when she came to rule.)

It also sometimes appears as part of the name, and sometimes not. Maharani Ahilya Bai Holkar (1725 - 1795) appears as Ahilyabai as often as not.

"Mariam-uz-Zamani (c. 1542 - 19 May 1623) was a wife of Emperor Akbar. Her actual name is unknown, but in an 18th-century genealogy of her clan (the Kachwahas), she is referred to as Harkhan Champavati. She is also referred to as Harkha Bai or Jodhabai which perhaps indicates that she was a princess of Jodhpur by birth (although mostly she is said to have been a princess of Amber)."

Modern practice is that Bai can be teacher, lady, and a number of other things; Bai Ji is roughly ma'am. I also find a number of Devi Bai on Facebook and LinkedIn.

So I don't think there's a good answer that we can wrap our western medieval brains around. Bai and Devi do seem to get added to important women's names, but it's Rani and Maharani that make them queen.

Juetta Copin at 2017-10-27 05:58:05
If "bai" is restricted to important women, I think being a countess would entitle her to use it.

Device notes from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-23 10:38:51
No conflicts found. There's a DC for the field and the tincture of the mascle against anything you care to name.

Pretty close to Eleyne de Comnocke's (Fieldless) A mascle quarterly purpure and Or, though.


7: Magnus Thorbjarnarson - New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2015, via Lochac.

Blame Monkey

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Consulting Herald Gunther Boese

Joan Blame Female, married 26 Jun 1563, Tonbridge, Kent, England, Batch M00839-1. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VZ-ZB1)

Robert Monkey Male, married 18 Oct 1575, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England, Batch M00117-1. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL4S-6VQ)

The use of 16th cen. English surnames as given names is stated in the Sept. 2012 Cover Letter.

Name comments from Kingdom

Amanda Martel at 2017-10-23 18:31:10
No conflicts found. Also, oh dear...


8: Mordenvale, Barony of - New Heraldic Title Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via Lochac.

Alefounder Herald

Old Item: Alefounder Pursuivant, to be released.
No changes.

Consulting Herald Alefounder Herald

Alefounder
Alefounder is grandfathered in because "Alefounder Pursuivant" This heraldic title was registered to Lochac, Kingdom of in July of 2003 (via Lochac).

Herald
"Title" Herald is a period practice for heraldic titles as shown in "Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance: Dictionary of Period Forms" http://medievalscotland.org/jes/HeraldicTitles/dictionary.shtml.
Example: Fleur-de-Lys Herald

This is a purely administrative entry.


9: Mordenvale, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via Lochac.

Per chevron inverted vert and gules, a lymphad Or.

Consulting Herald Bjorn Bassason

Notes from kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-23 10:04:57
Conflicts with Trimaris, Kingdom of "Azure, a galleon Or." There's a DC for the field but that's all, as I believe that boats are boats.

You could have this if you placed the lymphad to chief.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-23 21:43:23
Not so since last July's LoAR. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/07/17-07cl.html#6, "From Wreath: On ships and their sails", declares

We now grant difference for the presence or absence of sails on a ship. This will mean, for example, a DC between a lymphad (which has its sails furled by default) and a drakkar (which is under full sail by default). No difference will be given between, say, a drakkar and a caravel (or any other late-period sailing ship), since both are ships with sails.

And therefore a DC between submitter's lympad and Trimaris's late-period galleon.

No conflict there. (I'm not saying there aren't others.)

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-24 03:28:21
Excellent! In that case I find no conflicts. (Goes off to update the wiki)


10: Mordenvale, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via Lochac.

Per chevron inverted vert and gules, on a bezant a mantle gules.

Consulting Herald Bjorn Bassason

Comments from kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-23 10:11:03
No conflicts found. Nothing with this field to cause issues, and no other clothing on bezants.


11: Mordenvale, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via Lochac.

Per chevron inverted vert and gules, on a bezant an annulet vert.

Consulting Herald Bjorn Bassason

Notes from kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-10-23 10:15:02
No conflicts found. Nothing with this field to cause issues, and no other annulets on bezants.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-23 10:34:43
No conflicts found. I also checked it as 'an bezant within an annulet Or', since that is another reasonable parsing of this image.


12: Nim Thatcher - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in August of 1999, via Lochac.

Old Item: Catigern Goch, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Late period English) most important.
Spelling (Late period English) most important.

Consulting Herald Amelot de Akeney

Nim is documented as an English first name on the Familysearch IGI website.
Nim Godden married 21 May 1595 Folkestone, Kent, England - Batch I01454-6 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZPT-R31).

Thatcher is documented as an English byname on the Familysearch IGI website.
Elizabeth Thatcher christened 1 December 1594 Wimbledon, Surry, England - Batch P01344-1 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5W8-F3X).
Margaret Thatcher buried 9 March 1592 Wanborough, Wiltshire, England - Batch B15256-1 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCSW-JL9).

Name notes from kingdom

Amanda Martel at 2017-10-23 18:28:02
No conflicts found.

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2017-10-27 03:03:24
The documentation for the given name Nim is an I Batch which requires additional documentation. The submitter must provide a fotocopy of the actual documentastion including the first pages to show the microfilm identification. I Batches are accepted only on a case by case basis

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-27 05:06:52
This should fix the I batch problem.

Nim Shortte
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 Aug 1610
Christening Place SAINT MARTIN,CHICHESTER,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C04043-1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGPW-G8H


13: þorfinn Hrolfsson - New Augmentation of Arms

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Þorfinn Hrolfsson in January of 1997, via the West.

Gyronny of six argent and azure, a tricorporate lion gules and an augmentation of an elephant Or, caparisoned with a banner quarterly azure and argent, on a cross gules, four mullets of six points argent.

Consulting Herald þorfinn Hrolfsson

Canon Lore our precedence database shows he received an Augmentation of Arms on the 5 Dec 2015 by Steffan I and Branwen I. http://lochac.sca.org/canon/person.php?id=280

Notes from Kingdom

There was debate about the size of the Augmentation but it was felt they are a special case and so should be let through.

There was debate about if the submitter needed permission to use the Lochac Populace badge. I consulted with Sorle Crux and former Bat Crux. It was pointed out that previous augmentations used the populace badge or part there of. If Laurel has a problem with this they can contact me and I will provide what they require.


14: Wintherus Alban - New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2014, via Lochac.

Wintherus Alban of Oxley

Consulting Herald ffride wlffsdotter

Wintherus Alban is grandfathered in as Wintherus Alban is already registered.

of Oxley
R&W sn. Oxley
John de Oxleye, 1310
"From Oxley (Staffs) or Ox Lee in Hepworth (WRYorks)."
The Lingua Anglica form of this locative byname would be "of Oxley.


My thanks to all those who commented on this in kingdom.

In service to kingdom of Lochac

Gunther Rocket


OSCAR counts 1 New Name, 1 New Name Change, 2 New Alternate Names, 1 New Household Name, 1 New Heraldic Title Change, 2 New Devices, 5 New Badges and 1 New Augmentation of Arms. These 14 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $56 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 15 items submitted on this letter.

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