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An Tir KLOI from Central/Summits dated 2017-12-01

Greetings unto the An Tir College of Heralds from Elizabeth Lions Blood!

We are going to do an experiment in the internal letter; once upon a time, decisions used to be posted here. A solution to not post them here is in the works, but in the meantime I'm going to share any returns or pends in the header of the letter, so that they can be a learning experience for consulting heralds. If this becomes unwieldly, I'll re-evaluate.

The following items were pended in November 2017 and will be reconsidered on the December 2017 LoI:

1. Feradach the Beardless. New Device. Per chevron raguly argent and azure, two pairs of axes in saltire azure and an eagle rising argent.

Commentators were concerned that the relative size of the charges might blur the lines of charge groups. This device is pended so that the submitter can approve or reject new artwork.

2. Feradach the Beardless. New Badge. (Fieldless) A Maltese cross azure and overall an eagle's head erased argent.

As submitted, the eagle's head is "barely overall." This badge is pended so that the submitter can approve or reject new artwork.

The following items are submitted to the College for commentary in December 2017:

1: Anneke von Frankenstein -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the An Tir LoI of October 31, 2016 as submitted.

Lozengy Purpure and Argent, on a Chief triangular a Reremouse Argent

This device was returned by An Tir in September 2017 as follows:

Anneke von Frankenstein. Resub Device. Per chevron inverted purpure and lozengy purpure and argent, a reremouse argent.

A previous device submission, "Per chevron inverted purpure and lozengy purpure and argent, four mascles in cross argent," was returned on the January 2017 LOAR with the following text:

"This device is returned for conflict with the device of Lisabetta Davanzati: Quarterly azure and purpure, four mascles argent. There is a DC for changes to the field. However, Anneke's mascles' position is forced on the purpure portion of the field, so there is no additional DC for arrangement."

Unfortunately this design conflicts for exactly the same reason as the previous submission did, this time with Chabi of Burkhan Khaldun: Per bend sinister sable and vert, a reremouse argent, and also with Damon Xanthos: Per chevron rayonny sable and gules, in chief a reremouse argent.


2: Brynki Skúlason -New Name & New Device

Gyronny of 16 argent and sable, a skull argent.

No major changes.
Spelling (want spelling as close as possible) most important.

1) Bryn- / -ki: GB pp. 9; FJ pp. 343, 439; CV pp. 85, 197 sv brynja, Gerða / NR s.v. Tóka as referenced at http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml (see enclosed)

2) Bryn- / -ki: GB p.9 s.n. Brynjólfr; FJ pp. 67-68, 343, 351 s.n. Brynjulfr, Bryn-, -ulfr; CV p. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names"; CV pp. 668 s.v. úlfr; ; NR s.nn. BryniulfR/BrunulfR, Bryn(in)-, - ulfR / GB p.15 s.n. Súlki; NR s.n. Súlki as referenced at http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml (see enclosed)

3) Skúli-: "Skúli Þorsteinsson, Flokkr" by Yale history professor Anders Winroth as referenced at https://classesv2.yale.edu/access/content/user/haw6/Vikins/Skuli.html (see enclosed)

4) -ason: Geirr bassi Haraldsson's "The Old Norse Name" as referenced at http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml (see enclosed)

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=228/2017-11-22/00-33-16_Brynki_name_0002.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=228/2017-11-22/00-33-18_Brynki_name_0003.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=228/2017-11-22/00-33-19_Brynki_name_0004.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=228/2017-11-22/00-33-20_Brynki_name_0005.jpg


3: Domhnall MacCeallaigh of Dublin -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

<Domhnall>: masc given name dated through period

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Domnall.shtml

<Ceallaigh>: masc given name dated through period

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cellach.shtml

<Dublin>: Wikipedia claims settlement by 10th century. Lingua Anglica should allow "of Dublin"


4: Geoffrey Hightower -New Name & New Device

Per Pale vert and argent, a light house counter changed enflamed proper

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity.
Language most important.

  • Geoffrey is dated to 1569 England at https://familysearch.org arki/61903/1:1:J8RJ-M65
  • Hightower is a constructed byname based on Highstead (Highstede 1473) and Highet ("high gate", Hyet, 1514). The submitter preferes it as one word but will accept double bynames (High, sn. Highe 1327) (Tower, 1255).
  • All these refs are to R&W.


    5: Glymm Mere, Barony of -Resub Badge

    OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1993, via An Tir.

    (Fieldless) On an Oak tree Eradicated Sable a Quatrefoil Argent

    This submission is to be associated with Oreder of the Black Oak of Glymm Mere

    This badge was returned by An Tir in June 2017 as follows:

    Glymm Mere, Barony of. Resub Badge. (Fieldless) On a oak tree eradicated sable a quatrefoil argent. Kingdom commenters could not identify or in many cases find the quatrefoil here. There was also some concern about the identifiability of the tree. While stylization such as seen here is not necessarily a barrier to registration, charges must be identifiable. The tree would benefit from being drawn with a thicker trunk and more space between the branches. It is possible that with a thicker trunk, the quatrefoil could be larger and more identifiable.

    It was originally returned by An Tir in March 2017 for the following:

    Glymm Mere, Barony of. New Badge (for Black Oak, Order of the). (Fieldless) An Oak tree eradicated sable.

    Unfortunately, this lovely design has several conflicts:

    a. "Azure, a tree issuant from base sable" [Brandy of Mirkwood, registered September 1971] . There is a DC for fielded vs. fieldless design, but no DC can be granted for placement in a fieldless badge.

    b. "Checky argent and vert, a weeping willow tree blasted sable." [Robert Hightower of Meridies, registered June 2005]. There is again a DC for fielded vs. fieldless, but nothing for blasted or eradicated, and nothing for willow vs. oak tree.

    c. "Sable, a tree blasted sable fimbriated argent." [Ariadne of Alyson-tara, registered May 2010]. Again, DC for field vs. fieldless, nothing for blasted, and nothing for fimbriation.


    6: Glymm Mere, Barony of -Resub Badge

    OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1993, via An Tir.

    (Fieldless) on Chalice per pale Argent and Azure three gouttes counter changed.

    This submission is to be associated with Order of the White Chalice of Glymm Mere

    This badge was returned by Laurel on the June 2017 LOAR for the following:

    Glymm Mere, Barony of. Badge. (Fieldless) A jeweled chalice argent.

    This badge must be returned for conflict with Kathleen Erin-go-burne-the-Bragh, Vert, a chalice argent containing flames Or. There is one DC for fieldlessness, but nothing for jeweling the chalice. Prior precedent does not grant a DC for enflaming objects.


    7: Glymm Mere, Barony of -Resub Badge

    OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1993, via An Tir.

    Azure, two swords inverted in saltire within a bordure rayonny Or.

    This submission is to be associated with Orden de Rodrigo

    This badge was returned by An Tir in August 2017 as follows:

    Glymm Mere, Barony of. New Badge. Azure, two swords inverted in saltire proper within a bourdure rayonny Or.

    In accordance with the Standards for Evaluation of Name and Armoury (section A3.D1). "Having two close variants of a charge in a design is confusing and makes the charge groups difficult to identify. Thus, two charges or depictions of charges that are artistic variants of one another or that otherwise are considered to have less than a distinct change (DC) between them are not allowed in a single armorial design. A.5 defines distinct changes in more detail. This is true even if one charge is on the field and the other charge is on another charge. In precedent, this is sometimes referred to as 'sword and dagger'.". Although the submitters gesture towards inclusiveness is appreciated by their emblazon depicting a heavy and rapier sword, it unfortunately does not appear to be heraldic-ally acceptable.


    8: Luther Gutman -New Name & New Device

    Argent, a cross between four bear's heads erased sable.

    Submitter desires a masculine name.
    Sound most important.

  • Luther is dated to 1317-39 in "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" by Talan Gwynek <http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm>
  • Gutman is dated to 1312 in Bahlow s.n. Gutmann.

  • 9: Maral of Dragon's Mist -New Name & New Device

    per chevron sable and erminois

    Submitter has no desire as to gender.
    Sound most important.

    Maral: 1240 AD from "Mongolian Naming Practices" by Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald (retrieved from http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html on 10/3/2017)

    of Dragon's Mist: Branch Name Allowance


    10: Thierry Dalcy -New Name & New Device

    Or, a cross gules and overall a dragon's head affronty sable

    Submitter desires a masculine name.
    No changes.
    Language most important.

  • Thierry is dated to 1421 in "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438" by Sara L. Uckelman.
  • Dalcy is dated to the same year and source.

  • 11: Wilhelm Heinrich Meyer -Resub Badge

    OSCAR finds the name on the An Tir LoI of February 28, 2017 as submitted.

    Fieldless, an eagle per bend sinister Or and gules

    The original submission (a completely different design) was returned by Laurel on the May 2017 LOAR as follows:

    Wilhelm Heinrich Meyer. Badge. (Fieldless) In pale a bull passant argent armed Or standing atop a feather fesswise gules, overall an arrow Or.

    This badge is returned for redraw because of the partial overlap of the bull's hooves and the feather. "Standing atop" (or "standing upon" as was submitted) would have the bull standing on the top edge of the feather, a simple conjoining. Here, the charges are not simply conjoined as the hooves of the bull significantly overlap the feather. The bull is also not really overlapping the feather, as most of the charge lies on the field. This sort of overlap for conjoined charges has long been cause for return, as the relationship between the charges is not blazonable.


    12: Zulaikha al-Zarqa' -New Name

    Submitter desires a feminine name.
    Language most important.

    Both name elements were found in "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices (2nd edition)" by Da'ud ibn Auda <http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm>


    I remain, yours in service,

    Viscountess Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle

    Lions Blood Herald


    OSCAR counts 7 Names, 6 Devices and 4 Badges. There are a total of 17 items submitted on this letter.

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