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Trimaris ILoI dated 2017-10-31

This October Internal Letter will be my final letter as Lymphad Herald of Trimaris, it's been a wonderful experience and I've grown a lot as a herald and an officer. Thank you for the opportunity to serve and for your feedback along the way.

The November External letter will be published by our new Lymphad Herald, Mistress Sibeal inghean Mhurchadha whom I'm most confident is up to the task!

As always may your commentary be civil, and your criticism constructive.

Yours in Service,

Lord Ephrem Orbeli, Pusuivant

Lymphad Herald of Trimaris

1: Adelina de Bretigny -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2015, via Trimaris.

(Fieldless) A weeping willow issuant from a seatortoise naiant proper.

Badge Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-11 12:26:12
Suggested blazon: (Fieldless) A weeping willow issuant from a natural sea tortoise naiant proper.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 20:35:57
To me, that suggests a seed that has grown to burst through the carapace. (Ouch!) I prefer:

(Fieldless) In pale a weeping willow conjoined to a natural sea-tortoise naiant proper

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:44:36
Since the creature has flippers rather than feet, our standard usage is to call it "a natural sea turtle". (A tortoise has feet, while a turtle has flippers.) Nearest to a conflict I see is the client's device, which is well clear. Don't find a proper tincture listed for the creature. Perhaps we should blazon the tree as proper and the turtle as vert.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 15:20:02
The Net shows the creatures with quite a lot of mottling and many colors other than green. So:

(Fieldless) In pale a weeping willow proper conjoined to a natural sea-turtle naiant vert

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-20 09:08:35
No conflict found.


2: David of Loch Gryffyn -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Trimaris LoI of November 30, 2016 as submitted.

Argent, a pall inverted gules cotissed between a sword, quilloned and pommeled gules, and a wolf's head erased to sinister sable.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-11 12:31:15
Name registered February 2017. History of submission.

[February 2017 LoAR, R-Trimaris]
David of Loch Gryffyn. Device. Argent, a pale gules fimbriated between a sword inverted sable quilloned and pommeled gules, and a wolf's head erased contourny sable.
This device is returned for contrast issues. Fimbriations are used to provide contrast between the field and a charge that would otherwise have insufficient contrast. Here, the pale has good contrast with the field, but not with the fimbriation. If the submitter wants to resubmit this motif of fimbriation that has poor contrast with the charge it surrounds, he should be ready to provide documentation, likely in the form of an Individually Attested Pattern.

[August 2017 LoAR, R-Trimaris]
David of Loch Gryffyn. Device. Argent, a pale gules cotised between a sword inverted sable quilloned and pommeled gules, and a wolf's head erased to sinister sable.
This device is returned for conflict with Gwalchmai ap Bledig, Argent, a pale gules endorsed sable. There is a single DC for the addition of the secondary charge group.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-11-11 14:26:38
As blazoned the cotises are gules. The sword is inverted.

It also seems to me that for two charges around a pall inverted the positions should be clarified, since there are three available spaces. There aren't a lot of examples of this pattern, and some don't specify, but the most recent I could find (Sextus Claudius Scipio: Gules, on a pall inverted argent between in chief two scorpions Or, three scarabs palewise sable, http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=17109 ) explicitly blazons the positions.

So: Argent, a pall gules cotised between in chief a sword inverted sable quilloned and pommeled gules, and a wolf's head erased to sinister sable.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:46:59
Agree with your reblazon, but you accidentally left out "inverted" following "pall". No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 15:22:51
Making it (ready for my cut-paste, Herald de Myll):

Argent, a pall inverted gules cotised between in chief a sword inverted sable quilloned and pommeled gules, and a wolf's head erased to sinister sable

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 20:43:43
Complexity count: Argent + pall + gules + cotises + sword+ head + sable = only 7.


3: Fergus Hugh MacArtair -New Name [DOCS]

Sound (MacArtair) most important.
Culture (14th-16th century Scottland) most important.

Name pattern of <given name> + <given name> + <family name>

Fergus - Masculine given name found in, "13th and 14th Century Scottish Names: The Given Names," Bryan J. Maloney

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/symonFreser/scottish14_given.html

Hugh - Masculine given name found in, "Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue," by Sara L. Uckelman

http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots-svn/dost

MacArtair - Scottish byname found in, "Clerics and Clansmen: The Diocese of Argyll between the 12th and the 16th centuries," by Iain MacDonald

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1903/2017-11-07/00-29-36_Fergus_Name_02.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1903/2017-11-07/00-29-38_Fergus_Name_03.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1903/2017-11-07/00-29-39_Fergus_Name_04.jpg

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 18:41:04
Rather than "Name pattern of <given name> + <given name> + <family name>", headmatter should perhaps read "Double given names are approved by SENA Appendix A for late-period English". This introduces the complication of considering the language of the given names in the submission to be English, but the additional citations I recommend below should establish that fact. Then combining them with any Gaelic is authorized by SENA App. C.

The first link above, for <Fergus>, is missing a "scottish14", and should be made https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/symonFreser/scottish14/scottish14_given.html. The only period spelling attested in that document is, however, <Ferguß>. Similarly, <Hugh>, other than as a header form, is not among the several spellings found in Uckelman.

Shamelessly stealing from the documentation submitted by the registered Fergus Fletcher at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=2724 to get the submitted spelling of <Fergus>, I would add:

R&W, s. n. Fergus, Gillebertus filius Fergusi 1180, Fergus filius Suein 1188. and John Fergus 1251.

For <Hugh>, courtesy of the registered Hugh MacDonald of Belfast at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=23134, add:

Withycombe, s.n. Hugh, Hugh 1273.

For <MacArtair>, I would like to see a statement from MacDonald's preface or introduction explaining that his parenthesized forms in the submitted Images ##2&3 are documentary rather than merely regularized Gaelic.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-11 22:20:25
Yeah, that's normalized Gaelic. Black, s.n. Macarthur, has the same one. There are over a dozen attested spellings in Scots records; if his preference is for sound I'd like to know how he thinks it sounds, or he can just pick the one he likes:

Makkerthyre, 1439 M(ac) Erthir, 1440 Makarturicht, 1529 M(ac) Carthair, 1569 *pretty close M(ac) Airthour, 1595 M(ac) Arthour, 1580 M(ac) Arthor, 1589 McArtour, 1516 M(ac) Carthour, 1580 M(ac) Carthur, 1529 Makarthour, 1518 Makarthure, 1507

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:48:54
The source listed for Fergus says that the submitted spelling is modern, and that the period spelling is Ferguß. "Scottish Names 101" by Sharon L. Krossa http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/scotnames101.shtml , says that two given names were never used in medieval Scotland. Surname docs check out.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 15:23:30
Hence my proposed workaround above.

Mayken van der Alst (Triskele) at 2017-11-14 09:57:33
Love the workaround - thank you for your assistance! I have reached out to the client to get his input on the surname.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-14 10:30:01
Do let the client know that by using two given names he's compromising with us Sassenachs! ;->

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-20 08:34:51
Or the name could be considered Scots, which uses forms like Given+Unmarked Patronymic+MacPatronymic. Under SENA that is can be registered without using two given names.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-20 11:38:50
Hadn't noticed that. My thanks to Lord Magnus!

Mayken van der Alst (Triskele) at 2017-11-22 10:25:28
Good morning! Thank you all for your assistance. The client has decided to change the family name to "Mac Airthour"

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-22 17:46:58
Which is one of the names shown listed by Black in Mistress Adelaide's comment above.


4: Lundvarr Dufgalsson -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2012, via Trimaris.

Purpure, three bendlets argent, in dexter base an open book Or.

Submitter has permission to conflict with Corwyn Moray.

Badge Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-11 12:38:15
Here is Corwyn Moray's armory to pick a Permission to Conflict for:
The following device associated with this name was registered in July of 2005 (via Atlantia):
Purpure, three bendlets argent and in base a lion's head cabossed Or.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in November of 2009 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in February of 2011 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent in base an eagle's head couped Or.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in November of 2015 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent and in base a dragon's head couped Or.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in February of 2017 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent and in sinister chief a banner bendwise Or.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 18:56:29
I believe such a letter needs to cite all of the first four items listed rather than picking one. However, the fifth is clear by separate DCs for difference in type and arrangement of the secondary charge.

[Paragraph ruthlessly revised after my actually reading the headmatter.] Some such letter is claimed but not evidenced in the headmatter.

Seraphina Delfino (Ragged Staff) at 2017-11-16 13:10:25
Corwyn does need to grant permission to conflict with all but one of his armory. He only lists two on the permission to conflict.

Ephrem Orbeli (Archive) (Archive) at 2017-11-22 11:54:42
The permission given was for these two badges to conflict with all of his armory. He did not specify which of his own badges these would conflict with because they are subsumed by all.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:49:24
No other conflicts found.


5: Lundvarr Dufgalsson -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2012, via Trimaris.

Purpure, three bendlets argent, in sinister chief a warhammer Or.

Submitter has permission to conflict with Corwyn Moray.

Badge Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-11 12:37:59
Here is Corwyn Moray's armory to pick a Permission to Conflict for:
The following device associated with this name was registered in July of 2005 (via Atlantia):
Purpure, three bendlets argent and in base a lion's head cabossed Or.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in November of 2009 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in February of 2011 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent in base an eagle's head couped Or.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in November of 2015 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent and in base a dragon's head couped Or.
The following badge associated with this name was registered in February of 2017 (via Trimaris):
Purpure, three bendlets argent and in sinister chief a banner bendwise Or.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 19:00:11
In this case, permission would be required only for the last item listed by Lord Magnus. Such permission is claimed but not evidenced in the headmatter.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:49:48
No other conflicts found.

Seraphina Delfino (Ragged Staff) at 2017-11-16 13:11:55
Nit picky point for the permission to conflict, it does need to be dated.

Ephrem Orbeli (Archive) (Archive) at 2017-11-22 11:56:49
Understood, my apologies, as you may or may not know Corwyn is blind and this letter was dictated to the submitter, and then signed by, Corwyn. The date must have been lost in translation.


6: Rahil bint Haroun -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2010, via Trimaris.

(Fieldless) A reremouse tricorporate volant purpure.

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 19:07:47
Unlike many other adjectives, in our blazon tricorporate appears before the noun. And quoting, though not necessarily relying on, the drinkers' axiom that "You can't fly on one wing", I beg leave to doubt that at one wing per body this reremouse is volant. So:

(Fieldless) A tricorporate reremouse purpure

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 19:32:24
The only winged tricorporate creature in the O&A is Purpure, a tricorporate bee proper and a chief argent fretty purpure, registered as Mæva Eíríksdóttir's device (Apr 2015) but now one of her badges, first image below from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=49614. Note that each body has its full bilateral complement of wings.

I do not find that the single-wing method adopted here works. I believe that providing each chiropterid body with even minimal shoulders, like that of the lesser bamboo bat, second image below from https://www.thainationalparks.com/species/lesser-bamboo-bat, would not only allow pairs of wings (inverted) but also perhaps permit showing their head's ears, which would help clarify it as a head.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-12 11:23:34
A tricorporate X is three default position X bodies on a single head; the default position helps with identifiability. For lions, that's three rampant bodies. The tricorporate bee is three volant/tergiant bodies. A reremouse is displayed by default, so a tricorporate one would need three displayed bodies. Unfortunately, bats are not particularly blessed in the neck department. I have tried a variety of bat sketches, and I cannot work out a way to put three bodies on one head without overlapping wings. Two, we could do.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-12 11:27:55
I don't think I would hate the idea of a triskelion of bat wings. It would certainly be an SFPP, but it is a limb, so I don't see why it's more inherently ridiculous than a triskelion of human arms or legs. That would at least be a nice, clean design for a badge.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-12 20:48:46
And we may have it here. Let's blazon the submission as

(Fieldless) A triskelion of bat wings conjoined at a bat's head gardant

Iago ab Adam at 2017-11-12 21:34:03
Except these aren't just wings - there's a body and a little leg showing on each one.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 00:18:39
True, when I look more closely. Well, back to the drawing board--literally.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:50:35
Not sure this blazon is correct. I wouldn't know what I'd call this, but it doesn't look like any tricorporate critters I've seen. No conflicts found.


7: Steven Moreland -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Trimaris LoI of September 29, 2017 as submitted.

Per chevron azure and gules, a fork and knife in saltire Or, between four bulbs of garlic argent.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 19:38:07
For arrangements in saltire we blazon first the bendwise item, without regard for which overlies which, so:

Per chevron azure and gules, a knife and fork in saltire Or between four bulbs of garlic argent

Complexity count: azure + gules + knife + fork + Or + garlic + argent = only 7.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-11-12 00:04:57
I know that the blacksmithed knife and fork are a popular purchase in the re-enactment scene, but is there any evidence that the knife and fork are actually medieval or renaissance in style?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-12 03:17:37
Well, the fork is functionally the "Eating fork" at http://mistholme.com/dictionary/fork/. It has a different handle grip, but that seems permissible.

On the other hand, the knife here isn't anywhere at http://mistholme.com/dictionary/knife/, and to my eye the blade is shaped like a 19th- or 20th-c. butter knife. Whereas every item I have so far found image-searching on medieval OR renaissance reproduction eating knife has a pointed stabbing tip.

These are https://myarmoury.com/review_tod_medknives.html, http://www.weapons-universe.com/Cheap-Weapons/Pakistan-Medieval-Eating-Knife-7893.shtml, http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=POMED1, http://www.elmslie.co.uk/project.php?id=39, http://www.elmslie.co.uk/project.php?id=41, http://www.elmslie.co.uk/project.php?id=44, http://www.swordsaxe.com/middle-age-feastware-dining-knife-and-spike-set-medieval-times-renaissance- eating-utensils.aspx, and all those to be found starting at http://www.todsstuff.co.uk/theenglishcutler/knives/knives-13thc-eating-knife-1.htm and clicking the other "Eating" links in the left-hand column there. Moreover, none of them has a loop handle like this emblazon, which I somehow can't imagine sticking out of a sheath or scabbard.

Not that I can vouch for careful research by each of these craftsmen, but the sheer volume of agreement is strongly suggestive.

Plus https://www.pinterest.com/pin/513973376204436908/, not a reproduction, claimed to be in the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen.

If submitter really wants this knife, I believe he needs to supply supportive documentation.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-11-12 04:23:26
The term you want (for the re-enactorism) is kvinnokniv. Eg. https://www.handfaste.se/sv/artiklar/kvinnokniv.html

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-12 20:42:12
Thank you, Mistress ffride! With that clue, I found a number of instances, but very little reassurance.

https://www.fightclub-group.com/store/re-enactment-accessories/bowls-plates-and-cutlery/viking-knife -kvinnokniv-rope-handle.html, which wraps rope around the loop handle, describes theirs as a "Traditional iron women's knife (kvinnokniv) worn and used by Viking women for their daily chores, typically used to prepare food and work crafts." "Viking women" does not suggest careful language use.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/527390261/hand-forged-knife-viking-knife-medieval?ref=unav_listing-othe r-2, the VikingGoodsStore in Dnipro, Ukraine, shows a pendant with Norse-style horse heads hung with a kvinnokniv and a Thor's hammer, first image below, and mentions a "medieval prototype". Interestingly, its subject tags include "SCA". And the store sells a fork, as part of a "Rustic Ram Head Dining Appliances" set with a spoon, that has a handle like that in the emblazon, except that it is solid where this has a loop.

There are multiple others like these. None of their vendors mentions specific dates or a specific source. Every single one has a definite point.

(Sidelight: The second image below is from https://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/91619/SMVK_EM_objekt_1041475.html, where it is described as "En Kvinnokniv" and "Funnen i en hednagrav", 'found in a pine(?) grave'. Note the completely different construction, "av järn med handtag av horn", 'of iron with horn handles'.)

New conclusion: Even if the charge here is not an eating knife, it could be a chopping knife or kitchen knife, suitable for depiction with garlic. Its early-medieval provenance is claimed widely but (so far) without convincing support.

In any case, submitter really must put a better point on his knife. The butter-knife blade shape has, so far, no support whatever.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-12 12:14:31
Table knives are perfectly plain, and it's doubtful they were carried. Here's a scene from Froissart; the king of Portugal and the bishop have knives. Image #2 (provenance not yet nailed down) is a German late-period image, and everybody, or at least every two places, has a knife. I suspect table knives were a part of the serving ware and laid out just like platters and pitchers. The earlier you go, only the really important people have one (or there is one on the meat platter), then they proliferate. There are also "eating knives", which probably were personal, with a broad blunt blade that you could use somewhat like a fork/spoon (image #3, 14th c. Italian, BNF Français 343, fol. 31 v, 1380 - 1390). Still no loop/hilt, just a comfortable handle.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-12 20:44:59
Thank you, Mistress Adelaide!

I note that even in your third image, the knives are definitely pointed much better than the emblazon's.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:52:01
I'm under the impression that when two different objects are in saltire, the bendwise one is blazoned first. If that's not correct, I hope someone can give me a citation for the rule, if any. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 15:28:15
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/12/13-12lar.html#156, Anastasia da Monte:

In August 2012, we ruled:
When blazoning two dissimilar charges in saltire, the bendwise charge is blazoned first; as the most "honorable" charge, it is expected to also be topmost by default. In order to specify that the bendwise sinister charge is on top in this case, we are using surmounted, but this is still treated as a single primary charge group, not a primary charge group with an overall charge group. There is no difference granted for changing which charge is on top. [Titus Aurelius Magnus, August 2012, A-East]
We now feel this is overly fussy and are therefore overturning this precedent. It needn't be explicitly specified which charge is topmost. The bendwise charge is still blazoned first. Which charge is on top is a matter of artistic preference, and does not grant difference.


8: Taran Saraev -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name on the Trimaris LoI of April 30, 2008 as submitted.

Gules, a staple inverted argent and a roundel t'ai-ch'i.

Badge Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-11 12:47:28
Toran Saraev was registered August 2008.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-11-11 15:27:50
There's a step from period practice for the tai-chi, but that appears to be the only one.

I can do no better than to quote Lord Michael Gerard Curtememoire's commentary on https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=79638 : "Per http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/03/11-03lar.html, s.n. An Tir, Kingdom of, second item, "The use of tai-ch'i, as non-European artistic motifs, are a step from period practice." Comparing to that badge, at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=15720, this emblazon would need a fesswise. However, this is flatly contradicted by the blazon of Geoffrey Arkwright's device, Dec 2002, first image below, from http://atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com/8-2002iloi.shtml, where a ta-chi divided per pale was blazoned a tai-chi fesswise reversed proper ... and by http://mistholme.com/dictionary/roundel/ where "a roundel per fess embowed-counterembowed argent and sable, charged with two counterchanged roundels" is stated to be the Society default."

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 19:43:09
Wherefore parallel to my commentary there, I here recommend:

Gules, a staple inverted argent and a t'ai-chi per fess argent and sable

[That's a correct spelling for the symbol; see below. It occurs only once in the O&A, and there are three with misplaced apostrophes. Skipping the apostrophe entirely, as the remaining three registrations do, is also correct.]

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 11:52:38
The most common spellings seem to be tai-ch'i and tai-chi. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 15:48:48
Didn't even noticed I'd "corrected" the submitted blazon to tai-ch'i; I was just cut-&-pasting. In fact per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_chi#Name (about the martial art), the correct Wade-Giles is t`ai chi, first consonant aspirated, second one not,* and tàijí in pinyin. The second syllable is different from ch`i (pinyin qi), 'life force'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji_(philosophy) says the symbol is called Taijitu, but I see no advantage in adopting the term. The OED has t`ai chi as its second spelling, and says that in English the phrase means both 'the Supreme Ultimate' and its symbol, the latter meaning of course the sense in our blazon.

I have corrected the spelling in my proposed blazon above.
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* So quick-&-dirty linguists make it first consonant voiceless, second one voiced, taking advantage of the correlation in English.


9: Thyri Bersi -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2016, via Trimaris.

Azure, three coneys courant in annulo conjoined at the ears argent, and a chief rayonny Or.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 21:14:29
Let's go parallel to the blazon registered to Elvira Pedrosa, Nov 2013, Argent, in pall inverted three coneys courant conjoined by the ears sable, which has the same layout as the submission's primary charge:

Azure, in pall inverted three coneys courant conjoined by the ears argent, a chief rayonny Or

Apparently with conjoined, our Sovereigns find in annulo surplus to requirements.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-12 13:19:59
Conjoined BY the ears is superior (though still not technically correct) to AT the ears. They really aren't. They are attached in a conjoined-twin type way where the rabbits share the available ears. You'd be hard-pressed to zoom into this picture, because the base of an ear is not the same as the tip of an ear, which this design requires. The answer is, this is a very specific ancient, medieval, period heraldic design motif, which seems to be blazoned "three hares passant/courant in triskelion". Where we have a known motif, it seems pointless to blazon it piecemeal.

BTW, this is inverted, according to the many mundane uses of the motif; the basemost rabbit faces dexter and is upright, forming a triangle. Azure, three hares courant in triskelion inverted and a chief rayonny Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_hares

1: Image 1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 12:07:35
`Twould be preferable to draw the rayonny line with about twice as long a wavelength. The amplitude is fine. No conflicts found. Agree with Adelaide about the arrangement of the bunnies, but the arrangement here fits its space much better.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 16:08:05
This might even be returnable. See the statement on http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/07/10-07lar.html about the device submission at http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=12811 for Amalie Jäger von Holstein, image below, in which both amplitude and wavelength are too low:

This device is returned for using too many small rayons. Section VIII.3 of the Rules for Submissions says that "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability." There are sixteen repeats of the rayonny on the chief. Fourteen has been deemed to be an excessive number of repeats for a pale, so this is far too many for a chief.
http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A2C3 similarly declares, "Complex lines of division that are too shallow or have too many repeats may be unrecognizable from any distance. [Emphasis added.]"

There are 13 rayons of each color here.

1: Image 1

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-19 21:54:33
No conflict found.


10: Toki inn eldri bassi -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2016, via Trimaris.

Vert, on a pale dovetailed argent, a bear rampant sable.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 20:16:15
Minimally clear of Jakob hilditǫnn's device, May 2011, Per pale sable and vert, on a pale dancetty argent a bear rampant sable, viewable at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=15940 (although "the dances on the pale should be lined up and regular"), for field and line style, and by 3 DCs from Aonghus mac Domhnaill of Creagan an Fhithich's, Sep 2014, Vert, on a pale between two moons in their plenitude argent a brown bear rampant gardant proper, viewable at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=43026, for line style, secondaries, and tincture of tertiary.

There may be actual conflicts, but neither of those.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-13 12:07:52
No conflicts found.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-19 20:27:37
No conflict found.


11: Wolff of Darkwater -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2014, via Trimaris.

Or, a chevron inverted argent fimbriated and charged of three hearts and in chief a raven displayed contourny sable.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-11 20:27:41
We don't use contourny much with displayed any more, perhaps because the body was never involved. And though I rather like "charged of", we don't use it, nor even "charged with" in this context. So I suggest the slightly less easily parsed:

Or, on a chevron inverted argent fimbriated three hearts and in chief a raven displayed head to sinister sable

Since I'm first at it, I'll note that there's an SFPP for a non-eagle displayed. That seems to be the only one.

(Mere art criticism: I'd like to see those wing tips wider spread.)

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-12 14:56:00
I strongly suggest the raven pic gets changed. I'm not sure what's going on with those roundels at the shoulders, but given the dark bird and bright field, I was trying to make those into eyes until I realized it was just an odd artifact of the depiction. This one at Viking Answer Lady won't have those problems: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Raven_Displayed.svg

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-15 07:39:21
This raven is drawn with the German eagle's tail and looks halfway between an eagle and a raven displayed. I agree with Adelaide that this needs a raven that looks like an heraldic raven.

Ephrem Orbeli (Archive) (Archive) at 2017-11-22 16:37:52
The submitter is squired to Duke Balder Longstrider, the current Prince of Trimaris. The raven in question is from Balder's arms as registered in 1991 and is immediately identifiable to most of the southeast as belonging to his House of Asgard. The house isn't registered, for reasons I'd think we're obvious, but the household is recognized on the field by the gold field and this particular depiction of a raven.

I understand that the rules have come a long way since '91, and if necessary we could submit this with a genetic raven and then display it with Balder's raven once it's registered, but we register the emblazon, not the blazon, and while anyone could see how you'd get either image from the same words, the emotions which are invoked in the submitter, his Knight, and our Kingdom only stem from this depiction.

Perhaps an exception could be made without setting a precedent for the use of the grandfather clause for this submission?

Humbly,

~Lord Ephrem Orbeli, Pursuivant Archive Herald of Trimaris

"Balder Longstrider

The following device associated with this name was registered in January of 1991 (via Trimaris):

Or, a raven displayed, wings inverted, head to sinister, sable perched on an oak branch leaved proper, in chief a ducal coronet, on a bordure sable a chain Or."

1: Image 1

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-23 00:11:45
The workaround would be for Duke Balder to register the proposed design as a badge using his existing registration allowance to permit the desired depiction of the raven, then transfer it to his well-beloved squire, who would then upgrade it from badge to device.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-19 20:15:20
No conflict found.



OSCAR counts 1 Name, 5 Devices and 5 Badges. There are a total of 11 items submitted on this letter.

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