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Lochac LoI dated 2017-09-24

Unto the Lochac College of Heralds and those of the knowne world does Lord Gunther Boese, Rocket Herald send greetings.

It is our intent to register the following.

1: Anna Felice Tavestoche - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2011, via Lochac.

Per fess argent and gules, a sea-serpent ondoyant counterchanged.

Consulting Herald Drusticc inigena Eddarrnonn

Device comments from Kingdom

Amanda Martel at 2017-08-24 17:35:11
I found no conflicts.

Modar Neznanich (Volk) at 2017-08-29 07:30:13
No conflicts noted.


2: Anne de Tournai - New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2014, via Lochac.

Company of Saint Meinrad

Consulting Herald Amelot de Akeney

Company
Company is a registerable household designator per Appendix E of SENA (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixE) under the "Collected Precedents of the SCA: Designations" (http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Designations.html) accessed 10 August 2017.

Saint Meinrad
Saint Meinrad was a Benedictine monk, hermit and martyr (d. 861) and found in "The Oxford Dictionary of Saints (5 rev. ed.)" by David Hugh Farmer, published 2011. NO COPY REQUIRED.

"St. Meinrad" is found on page 59 of "Medieval Mysteries: A Guide to History, Lore, Places and Symbolism" by Karen Ralls, published 2013. COPY ATTACHED.

Saint Meinrad is referenced in the following (copies in Packets):

"Saint Meinrad of Einsiedeln" (http://catholicsaints.info/saint-meinrad-of-einsiedeln/) accessed 10 August 2017.

"Meinrad of Einsieldeln, St" (http://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/meinrad-einsiedeln- st) accessed 10 August 2017.

"St. Meinrad" http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05367a.htm accessed 10 August 2017.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-23/18-35-09_Medieval_P1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-23/18-35-11_Medieval_P2.jpg


3: Anne de Tournai - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2014, via Lochac.

[Fieldless] An escallop inverted argent.

This submission is to be associated with Company of Saint Meinrad

Consulting Herald Amelot de Akeney

Permission to Conflict with Nichelle of Whitewolfe (December of 2003 via Atenveldt): "Per pale gules ermined argent and azure, an escallop inverted argent." is attached.

Blazon was corrected from "An escallop inverted argent." to "[Fieldless] An escallop inverted argent.".


4: Beatris la Serena - New Name & New Device

Or, a brunette mermaid maintaining a peacock plume proper and a closed book azure.

Language (French / Occitan) most important.
Culture (French / Occitan) most important.
Meaning (Beatris the Serena or Siren) most important.

Consulting Herald Padraig Chaine Shott

Beatris Occitan feminine given name from 1380-1385, cited in "Occitan names from Saint Flour, France, 1380-1385" by Sara L. Uckelman at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/saintflour.html

la Serena, French Byname from 1514 cited in "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" by Talan Gwynek at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/latefrenchfem.html

Name Comments from Kingdom

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-27 15:28:51

Docs check; name is correctly formed, and I see no conflicts. However... la serena is the expected Occitan spelling of 'the siren', which appears most often as la seraine in langue d'oil (northern) French. Calling yourself a siren and featuring a mermaid as your primary charge might step over that presumption line. (Honest, if we registered a mermaid to Ariel Lovechild, clearly people have a high threshold here, but it's worth being aware of.)

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-27 19:17:13

Supposing that one's name or nickname--attested to have been used by ordinary humans--has the literal meaning of a fabulous monster, I cannot believe that making a heraldic allusion to that meaning rebounds to turn the name into a claim of superhuman powers under http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#PN4C. If that were so, then Cy the Bull's choosing ... a bull passant ... sable (Feb 2014) would be a claim that he is a quadruped. I doubt Mistress Adelaide would accept the latter argument.

I also note that Ariel Lovechild's device (Nov 2011) includes a mermaid in her vanity proper crined and tailed ... purpure, viewable at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=17966, not a red-haired mermaid proper like Phae Elena Ellwoode's (Jul 2016). If Ariel were to use an emblazon closer to the Disney Studios', she would expose herself, not the College, to ridicule. However, she is certainly not doing so on her personal page at http://miley.loveshade.org/sca/, where she has in fact implemented Laurel's artist's note ("We ... encourage colorists to ... use a lighter pink ...").

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-09-08 19:08:44

I second Gerard here; surely this is well within the bounds of a heraldic rebus?

Blazon changed from "Or, a brunette mermaid supporting a peacock plume proper and a closed book azure." to "Or, a brunette mermaid maintaining a peacock plume proper and a closed book azure.".

Device Comments from Kingdom

Amanda Martel at 2017-08-24 17:41:50
Somehow, I found no conflicts. Seems all the merfolk registrations have extra bits on the field.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 04:02:47
This is the mermaid in her vanity from http://mistholme.com/dictionary/mermaid-melusine/ with different maintained charges. I believe she is there shown in trian aspect because so angled we can see simultaneously her face and her reflection. Whether this submission can use that art without that justification I do not know.

Eleyne de Comnocke at 2017-08-28 07:37:53
Usually Mistholme depictions are based on period artwork so are pretty safe to use.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-28 13:24:23
See above for discussion of how this is modified. And https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=78109 for Bordure's opposite conclusion for the Outlands.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2017-09-08 15:30:29
This looks very busy, but comes in at a complexity count of just eight, I think: Or + vert + brown + argent/pink + azure + mermaid + feather + book = 8


5: Caitríona Ruadh inghean Bhriain - New Name & New Device

Vert, a beaver rampant contourny argent.

No major changes.

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

The name pattern of a descriptive adjective byname combined with a simple

patronymic byname in Early Modern Gaelic is found at http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#descriptivewithpatronymic as per SENA Appendix A: Patterns That Do Not Need Further Documentation by Language Group.

Caitríona
Early Modern Irish Gaelic (1200-1700) forename. Occurs 15 times, dated between 1360 and 1654 in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan found at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Caiterina.shtml

Ruadh
Irish Gaelic descriptive byname, meaning <Red>. Occurs 78 times as a masculine descriptive, dated between 1039 and 1597, in "Index of Names in

Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan found at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Ruadh.shtml

inghean
Irish Gaelic feminine patronymic marker

Bhriain
Irish Gaelic Patronymic surname, a genitive form of the Early Modern Irish Gaelic <Brian>. Occurs 45 times, dated between 925 to 1582, in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan found at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Brian.shtml

The specific spelling <Bhriain> is found three times in 1013-1014: <Bhriain, mac Cindéittigh, mic Lorcáin>, <Dubhchoblaigh, ingh*e*n righ Connacht, b*e*n Bhriain, mic Cinneittigh> and <Bhriain, mic Cinneittigh>.

In addition, Sharon L. Krossa lists <*inghean Bhriain*> as a literal patronymic byname for 16th C Irish Gaelic in "Historical Names for Faire Folk, Foreign and Domestic", found at https://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/histnames4fairefolk.pdf

As such, <Caitríona Ruadh inghean Bhriain> is a plausible name for a 16th Century Irish woman.

Name Comments from Kingdom

Brían dorcha ua Conaill at 2017-08-25 05:56:17
<Caitríona> attested with that spelling at FM1493.9.

<Ruadh> is correct as described. It does not require changing to suit a feminine name.

<inghean> is the Early Modern Irish spelling of the feminine patronymic.

<Briain> is indeed one of the genitive forms of <Brían>, and it is correctly lenited after <inghean>. (Technically, the lenition and the genitive form are independent. I count 2500-ish attestations of "Bh?riain" at annal entries from 574 to 1648, 246 of "Bhriain", and 31 of "Bhriain" in the names of women.)

I would say that this is not just plausible, but a very nice late period Irish female name indeed.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-26 22:00:21
Hurrah! Correctly constructed! Clear by the Ruadh element from the previous registered Caitríona ní Bhriain (from 1983 when we didn't know any better).

Device Commenting form Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 06:03:34
Agreed clear.

Modar Neznanich (Volk) at 2017-08-29 07:34:07
No conflicts noted. Excellent rendition. Great device!!!

Documentation for websites is split between packets and attached images.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-28-23_Quick_and_Easy_Gaelic_Names_(3rd_Edition).pdf
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-28-23_Microsoft_Word_-_Historical_Nam.pdf


6: Dismal Fogs, Shire of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1987, via the West.

(Fieldless) a tower issuant from a cloud argent.

This submission is to be associated with populace

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Device commenting from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 06:00:02
No conflicts found. Fieldless makes my life so great.


7: Dismal Fogs, Shire of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1987, via the West.

Azure, a tower issuant from a base nebuly argent.

This submission is to be associated with populace

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Device commenting from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 05:57:24
No conflicts found.


8: Francesca Orsini - New Name & New Device

Sable, a bend flory counter-flory argent.

No major changes.

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Francesca
Listed in "Late Period Italian Women's Names: Florence" by Juliana de Luna(Julia Smith) http://medievalscotland.org/jes/Nuns/Florence.shtml - no photocopy source

Orsini
Listed in "Late Period Italian Women's Names: Florence" by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) http://medievalscotland.org/jes/Nuns/Florence.shtml - no photocopy source

Device comments from Kingdom

New pictures were supplied and used compared to those shown in Kingdom.

Sigrith Vigdisardaater at 2017-08-24 21:23:03
Assuming flory-counterflory does not conflict with any other line style, this looks clear of conflict.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 05:26:15
Clear of Berthold Ernst's Sable, a bend argent, and overall an anchor inverted bendwise sinister Or proposed at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=4689#9 for the Middle Kingdom, but the coincidence is perhaps interesting.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 05:37:38
Agreed clear, there's no other sole primary white fesses alone on a black field.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 06:40:28
You did check bends, and just mistyped here?

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-28 09:33:54
Yes I did. Fesses on the brain.


9: Helena the Innocent - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2015, via Lochac.

Quarterly azure and argent, a fess fusilly gules

Consulting Herald Amelot de Akeney

The following is information on the returned device.

LOAR August 2015
Helena the Innocent. Device. Quarterly azure and argent, a sheaf of arrows and a bordure gules. This device is returned for contrast issues. SENA A3B4 states "Charges must have good contrast with the background on which they are placed". Here the bendwise arrow does not have good contrast with the gules sections on which it lies. A sheaf of arrows is not a single charge, it is shorthand for a specific arrangement. Charges in a sheaf must individually have good contrast with the underlying field.

This submission is a change of charge from the previous submission and should remove the previous reason for return

Device comments from Kingdom

Blazon changed from "Quarterly azure and argent, in fess 5 lozenges conjoined gules." to "Quarterly azure and argent, a fess fusilly gules ".

Sigrith Vigdisardaater at 2017-08-25 22:23:07
Checking it as a fess fusilly, it still looks clear of conflict.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-08-24 12:53:41
No conflicts found.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 05:31:50
No conflicts found. No other sets of 4 or more red lozenges in fess and not lozenges with this field.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-26 22:10:48
Consider from Ealdormere LoI dated 2017-08-24, Mara of Scraeling Althing, Or, in fess four lozenges gules. 1 DC for field, but we don't get number between four and five. With the same arrangement, I'm not sure you can argue a DC for conjoined versus not.

Also, I did a bunch of looking at fusils/lozenges for Mara's submission (which is why it stuck in the noggin), and it appears we have been preferring the blazon of lozenge over fusil no matter how skinny they are.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-27 00:41:33
Mara's submission is at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=79093 and indeed earlier than our Helena's. And the general principle, (re)stated at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/05/15-05lar.html#211, Anthoinette de Caulmont, is that "we grant no difference between conjoined and non-conjoined charges".

However, while we don't get an SC for 4 vs. 5, it most emphatically gives us a DC in any charge group, including primary groups: http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A5G5. It's only when we get to 6+/semy vs. 6+/semy that all distinctions collapse. Therefore, this submission, whether blazoned with Maister Iago's proposal or mine above--or, for purposes of conflict checking, both!--will not conflict with Mara's, assuming hers is registered.

As for lozenges vs. fusils, I'm not surprised--but that doesn't impact fusilly. (Notice the date on Gwen Hir's regristration that I linked to above.)


10: Hrolf Herjolfssen - New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1983, via the West.

Ethelbreth the Unsteady

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Pronunciation should remain unchanged ˈɛθəlbrɛθ ðə ʌnˈstɛdi) most important.

Consulting Herald Drusticc inigena Eddarrnonn

Ethelbreth
Ethelbreth is an Early Modern English vernacular form of the Old English saint's name Æthelberht. We are using the saint's name allowance for this submission.

Ethelbrith would have been the vernacular form in the 12th century:
Item tempore istius, scilicet, anno millesimo centesimo nonagesimo secundo, ossa Sanctorum, Sancti Felicis, Ethelredi, ac Ethelbrithi, in feretris sunt collata.
Also at that, obviously, the year 1192, the bones of the saints, of San Felice, of Ethelred, and Ethelbrithi, in shrines have been given. [referring to Æthelberht, saint and great-grandson of Æthelberht of Kent] Page 177 of Cartularium Monasterii de Rameseia, Vol. III edited by William Henry Hart, published in 1893.(https://archive.org/stream/cartulariummonas03rams#page/177/mode/1up)

By 1587 the vernacular form, in this document, was Ethelbreth:
About the same time was Edelfred king of Northumberland slaine in battell, at a place called Wintringham, not far from the river of Humber, by Redwald and Ethelbreth, the one being king of the east Angles, and the other of the middle Angles.... Then was one Edwine a right christian prince appointed to reigne in his place, by the assignement of the two forsaid kings Redwald and Ethelbreth>[referring to Æthelberht of Kent, saint] Page 111 of The first and second volumes of Chronicles : comprising 1 The description and historie of England : 2 The description and historie of Ireland : 3 The description and historie of Scotland Volume 2 by Raphael Holinshed, published in 1587.(https://archive.org/stream/firstsecondvolum00holi#page/111/mode/1up)

In 1601 the vernacular form was also Ethelbreth (in this case not referring to a saint):
... ad Ethelbrethu Episcopum Haugustaldentem, diserte ait Willielm, Malmesbur, de Pontif. Angl. lib. 3. Accae, Fredebert ei Tilbert: ipsi quoq; Ethelbreth successit.... Post Ethelbrethum tres tantum Episcopi Haugustalden fuere: Herdred: Eambertus: Thiffriddid. ... to Ethelbrethu,
Bishop of Haugustalden, eloquent he says Willielm, Malmesbury, the Pontif. Angl. book 3. Acca, Fredebert, they, Tilbert they too; Ethelbreth succeeded.... After Ethelbrethum three only bishops of Haugustalden were: Herdred, Eambertus, Thiffriddid. [referring to Æthelberht of Whithorn, bishop of Hexham] Page 645 of Antiqvae Lectionis Tomus I: In Qvo XVI. Antiqva Monvmenta Ad Historiam Mediae Aetatis Illvstrandam, Nvnqvam Edita by Henrico Canisio, published in 1601. (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=B2JmAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false)

the
SENA (App.A) allows the use of descriptive bynames in Middle/Early Modern English with the article the or le.

Unsteady
The OED s.n. Unsteady dates this spelling to 1647.

FamilySearch Historical Records:
<James Unsteade> Male, Married 8 August 1650, Eastbourne, Sussex, England Batch M04120-1.(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV4P-S8W)

<John Unsted> Male, Christened 12 April 1594, Eastbourne, Sussex, England, Batch C04120-1. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ51-NR4)

<James Tremble> Male, Married 24 Aug 1642, Lanteglos By Camelford,Cornwall,England Batch M02308-1. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ1J-HYG)

<Robtus Shake> Male, Buried 22 Apr 1580, Lincoln, England Batch B01191-4.(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J8RZ-VYS)

<John Totty> Male, Buried Mar 1625, Mareham-On-The-Hill, Lincoln, England Batch B03011-5. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC9S-FYJ)

<Christian Lurch> Female, Christened 11 Jun 1591, Burbage, Wiltshire, England Batch C01389-9. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRPZ-PBM)

Name comments from Kingdom

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-26 22:29:05
There is a previous registration of Æthelhere the Unsteady. With an E as the vowel in both deuterothemes, you may not be able to claim substantial difference per SENA.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-27 00:58:14
Perhaps not for those two syllables under SENA PN3C2 as published--although if need be I'd want to claim one more syllable in <Æthelhere> than <Ethelbreth>. However, there's a relevant precedent that our onomasts should be aware of.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/05/13-05cl.html#4, "From Pelican: SENA PN3C2: Substantial Change to One Syllable" reported:

On the February 2013 Letter of Pends and Discussion, commenters were asked if two names could be clear of aural conflict under PN3C2 if the change to a single syllable affected the consonant(s) (or lack thereof) on both sides of a vowel but not the vowel.

Commenters agreed that at least in some cases, such changes are enough to make two names clear of conflict. When the sound of both consonant clusters is completely changed (so that neither the first cluster nor the second cluster share sounds between the two names), they should be clear. Examples of this would include Godric/Godwin, Catford/Radford, and Dulford/Muttford. ... We are therefore directing Palimpsest to develop wording to allow PN3C3 [sic] to apply to differences between names that only affect the consonants of a syllable.

Unfortunately, no such wording has yet been adopted. Failing <-e> as a syllable--which I hold should fail only if we consider "sloppy" to be among the "important ... modern pronunciations" we must consider!--we can nevertheless cite the decree itself to count difference between <-here> and <-breth>.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-27 15:44:53

I hope when "they" develop wording, they drop the Catford/Radford example, because T/D in an internal syllable should never be considered different. The only difference is voiced vs. unvoiced, and you can't voice adequately when you're clipping to form a new consonant sound. Camford/Radford is better.

I do agree that the syllables are different; we are stuck in the middle ground, which happily works both ways, of when the former is pronounced correctly, it should sound like the goddess Hera, and the normal expected mispronunciation is HEER, which changes the vowel sound and solves our problem that way. I hate counting sound difference on mispronunciations, though.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-09-04 05:04:08
Alternatively, R&W sn. Steady

William Stedy 1327

ME stedy(e), steadie `immovable, steadfast, firm' (1530 NED).

MED sv. stedi

Willmo Stedy. 1327

Willo Stedy. 1332

But, interestingly enough the MED has the adjective "unsted-fast" but not "unstedy":

(https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=MED49873)

OED sv. unsteady does have:

1598 "Insollare, to make loose or vnsteadie."

1601 "Some there bee, who..advise their patients to wash their unsteedie teeth with the said infusion."

1622 "Walking to and fro on the vnsteddy legges of Dis-rest."

While "Ethelbreth the Unsteadfast" would probably be a more likely byname before 1600, it doesn't have quiet the same ethyl alcohol-driking vibe.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-54-14_1._Evidence_1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-54-16_1._Evidence_2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-54-17_2._Evidence_1.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-54-18_2._Evidence_2.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=948/2017-09-24/20-54-18_3._Evidence_1.jpg


11: Jǫrundr Bjarki - New Name & New Device

Per saltire arrondi sable and gules, a sea-goat Or

No major changes.

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Jǫrundr
Listed in "Viking Names found in Landnámabók" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael(Sara L. Uckelman) http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html

Bjarki
Listed in "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html

Name comments from Kingdom

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-26 22:32:21
Docs check, no conflicts.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2017-09-08 15:33:50
The name is properly documented and constructed.

Device Comments from Kingdom

Blazon changed from "Per saltire arrondi sable and gules, a sea-goat erect Or." to "Per saltire arrondi sable and gules, a sea-goat Or".

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 05:28:03
No conflicts found. There's nothing with this field amongst the sea monsters, and no other wholly golden goatfish.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2017-09-03 22:47:49
It's really hard to see this field division.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-09-04 05:07:18
I find it reasonably obvious.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2017-09-08 15:34:24
I found the field division difficult to discern. Making the beasty just a little smaller would allow the line to be more recognizable.


12: Julian Greenwood - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2015, via Lochac.

Azure, in fess two vegetable lambs, in base a ram's skull argent

Consulting Herald Best Pickel Ambberger

Device comments from Kingdom

Blazon changed from "Azure, two vegetable lambs, in base a ram skull argent" to "Azure, in fess two vegetable lambs, in base a ram's skull argent".

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 04:38:25
I know about vegetable lambs. I like them. But I'm afraid that going by a comment at http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=16599 by Istvan Wreath, "a mini which is X high should be viewed from a distance of 20*X" in the same units," when I view the 2" display on my screen at about double arm's length, ~40", I can't see that these charges are vegetable lambs. For the 8"-high version viewed from 13', identifiabily is borderline.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 05:22:11
I disagree, I think the charge is perfectly identifiable, though this would be the first non-sole primary vegetable lamb in SCA heraldry.

Assuming that the vegetable lamb has at least a DC from a regular old round tree, which seems a not-outrageous idea, this appears clear of Gregor of Dakerwald's 'Azure, in fess two trees couped within a bordure argent.'

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-08-25 07:36:45
If how they're grouped in the O and A indicates how they're conflict checked, they're in the "monster" category and not a plant at all.

(http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=METC)

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 12:47:37
Those categories "must be used with caution".

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-08-25 17:45:14
The March 2017 LoAR sn. Anne Descostes notes:

(http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/03/17-03lar.html#168)

"There is a DC for the difference between... a vegetable lamb and a tree."


13: Katherine Kerr of the Hermitage - Resub Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via Lochac.

Per chevron embattled gules and azure, two curs' heads couped argent each gorged of a pearled coronet attached thereto two chain links Or and a tower argent.

Old Item: Per chevron embattled gules and azure, two curs' heads couped argent collared sable and a tower argent., to be released.

Consulting herald Fiora Vespucci

Katherine was granted a court barony on 3 February AS XLIV and is entitled to bear a baronial coronet.

The following was returned in the June 2017 LOAR.

Katherine Kerr of the Hermitage. Device change. Per chevron embattled gules and azure, two curs' heads couped argent each issuant from a pearled coronet attached thereto two chain links Or and a tower argent. This device is returned for multiple reasons. First, in the return of the badge of Ghislaine d'Auxerre, LoAR of April 2002, a coronet of trefoils and pearls was deemed too close to a ducal coronet to be registerable to any not of ducal rank. These coronets seem to be coronets of pearls and a single trilobe, which brings up the same issue. The submitter is a court baroness and entitled to display a coronet, but she is not a duchess and thus may not display a coronet that appears to denote ducal rank.

Second, even if the coronets were not too close to ducal coronets, adding the trilobe to the center of each means that this style of coronet must be documented to period and cannot be registered without such documentation.

Third, the dogs are not gorged of the coronets but rather issuant from them. Therefore, the coronets are considered to be co-primary with the heads and this must be returned for having three types of charges in the same charge group (so-called "slot-machine" heraldry).

In resubmission, the submitter should take care to draw the dog's heads to be more recognizable. Commenters found the dog's heads difficult to identify.

The submitter is a court baroness and entitled to a coronet.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/06/17-06lar.html#Lochac_returns13

Device comments from Kingdom

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 04:40:28
The links are essentially invisible to me. If they matter to the baroness they ought to be drawn larger.

Aria Gemina Mala at 2017-08-27 05:51:04
Agree. Can't see them at all.


14: Lucius Cornelius Gordianus - New Name & New Device

Argent, a wyvern displayed maintaining in each claw a lightning bolt sable.

No major changes.

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Lucius
Praenomen listed in *A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names* by Ursula Georges found at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html - no photocopy source

Cornelius
Nomen listed in *A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names* by Ursula Georges found at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html - no photocopy source

Gordianus
The Cognomen of three Roman Emperors - Gordian I (c. 159 - 238), Gordian II (c. 192 - 238) and Gordian III (c. 225 - 244). Found at the UNRV History Website at http://www.unrv.com/government/emperor.php

The name is found in the *Historia Augusta *(online English translation here: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Historia_Augusta/Gordiani_tres*.html)

Name comments from Kingdom

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-08-26 22:42:38
Docs check; no conflicts.

Device Comments from Kingdom

The device was changed due to commenting and a new picture supplied.

Correction to Device (2017-Sep-26 02:09:53): Argent, a wyvern displayed maintaining in each claw a sword sable.

Correction to Device (2017-Sep-26 02:09:56): Argent, a wyvern displayed maintaining in each claw a sword sable.


15: Merlin Grindall le Chat - New Name & New Device

Azure mullety argent, a domestic cat dormant guardant disarmed Or, and on a base enarched indented azure a triquetra interlaced with an annulet azure

No changes.

Consulting Herald ffride wlffsdotter

Merlin
Merlin Trewoone, female, christened 1619, Cornwall, England. Batch no. C05332-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5DJ-3Z9)

Grindall
Grindall appears once as a surname, in:
"16th Century Gloucestershire Names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/late16.html)

le Chat
R&W sn. Catt has: Adam le Chat 1203
If this is considered to be a mixed English-French name, and hence there is more than 300 years between the name elements, there is also: "French Surnames from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423surnames.html) With one instance of "Le Chat" dated 1423.

SENA Appendix A notes that double bynames are found in late-period English.

Device Comments from Kingdom

The blazon has been updated at the request of the submitter from "Azure mullety argent, a domestic cat dormant guardant Or, and on a base enarched indented azure a triquetra interlaced with an annulet azure." to "Azure mullety argent, a domestic cat dormant guardant disarmed Or, and on a base enarched indented azure a triquetra interlaced with an annulet azure.".

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-08-25 04:46:27
That's a very small base. Whether it's too small for registration I do not know. I do find the charge on it just identifiable.

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 04:56:12
No conflicts found.


16: Merlin Grindall le Chat - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Argent, a bend sinister sable between three candles in fess azure and a triskelion of spirals vert.

Consulting Herald ffride wlffsdotter

Device comments from Kingdom

Blazon updated from "Argent, a bend sinister sable between three candles azure and a triskelion of spirals very." to "Argent, a bend sinister sable between three candles in fess azure and a triskelion of spirals vert.".


17: Merlin Grindall le Chat - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Argent, on a lozenge throughout azure semy of mullets, a winged domestic cat sejant Or.

Consulting Herald ffride wlffsdotter

Comments from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 04:32:08
No conflicts found.


18: Merlin Grindall le Chat - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Azure semy of mullets argent a cat's face cabossed Or.

Consulting Herald ffride wlffsdotter

Comments from kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 04:29:41
No conflicts found, assuming that there's a DC for the cats face affronty against a bengal tigers head erased contourney, which seems fine to me.


19: Southron Gaard, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1999, via Caid.

(Fieldless) A water bouget per pale Or and azure.

This submission is to be associated with Hamlet of Gildenwick

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Comments from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 04:21:40
I find no conflicts.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-08-30 15:08:17
Hamlet of Gildenwick is on Lochac LoI - 2017-06-26.


20: Southron Gaard, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1999, via Caid.

Per pale azure and Or, a water bouget counterchanged.

This submission is to be associated with Hamlet of Gildenwick

Consulting Herald Fiora Vespucci

Comments from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 04:21:46
I find no conflicts.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-08-30 15:08:57
Hamlet of Gildenwick is on Lochac LoI - 2017-06-26.


21: Stewart Foxe - New Name & New Device

Per fess argent and gules, a fox's tail counterchanged.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Consulting Herald Lowry ferch Gwynwynwyn ap Llewelyn

Stewart
Stewart Harrison, male, christened 1621, York, England. Batch no. C02158-9
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRV4-1V4)

Foxe
John Foxe, male, married 1621, York, England. Batch no. M00964-1
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N29T-1YZ)

Name Comments from Kingdom

Documentation was changed due to comments at Kingdom. The name remains the same.

Device Comments from Kingdom

Ollivier Le Floch at 2017-08-25 04:36:01
No conflicts found amongst the tails or the ermine spots.


Once again my thanks to the heralds who commented on the letter in Kingdom.

In service to the Crown of Lochac

Gunther Rocket


OSCAR counts 7 New Names, 1 New Alternate Name, 1 New Household Name, 8 New Devices and 9 New Badges. These 26 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $104 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device and 1 Resub Device Change. These 2 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 28 items submitted on this letter.

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