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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2017-10-16

Greetings. Glad to see Fall has finally arrived

1: Abigail Lylle -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2016, via Ansteorra.

Argent, a mortar and pestle purpure charged with a triquetra Or

This is a resub. Original item was on the 05-2016 LoAR

Purpure, in bend three lilies bendwise argent

https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=60940

Device Comments:

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 18:53:05
I see no conflict

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-17 22:28:24
Previous return at Laurel. The current submission is a complete redesign.

Abigail Lylle. Device. Purpure, in bend three lilies bendwise argent.
This device is returned for conflict with the device of Anastasia Elgiva Orpett: Purpure, in pale a mullet of four points elongated to base Or and two lilies crossed in saltire slipped argent. In both cases, we have three co-primary charges. There is no DC for changing the tincture of only the chiefmost of the charges. There is also no DC for changing the type of the chiefmost of the charges. The stems, or lack thereof, do not count for a DC. Thus there is only one DC for arrangement as the arrangement of charges in Anastasia's armory is not one that is defined to have a SC from in bend in SENA A5CE4.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-17 22:47:50
Suggested blazon: Argent, on a mortar and pestle purpure a triquetra Or.
No conflict found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 03:46:45
I checked. Recent Laurel blazons find the submitted blazon acceptable, as well as Lord Magnus's revision.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:01:46
No conflicts found.


2: Abigail Lylle -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2016, via Ansteorra.

(Fieldless) A lilly argent charged with a triquetra purpure

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-16 16:44:10
Good period spelling, but we don't do those in blazons. So:

(Fieldless) A lily argent charged with a triquetra purpure

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 18:55:09
I see no conflict

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-17 22:52:19
No conflict found. Suggested blazon: (Fieldless) On a lily argent a triquetra purpure.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 03:47:10
I checked. Recent Laurel blazons find the submitted blazon style acceptable, as well as Lord Magnus's revision.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:02:09
No conflicts found.


3: Alana a'Becket -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Aelina Faust(12/2002), Alina of Foxwood (9/1995)

Alana a'Becket

Argent, a wolf rampant sable charged with a rose argent and on a chief gules an arrow Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Alana - (fem of Alan) Latin from Clairvaux, France, 1179, Old French Alaine from Paris, 1313. Latin Alanus from Spalding, Lincolnshire, England, 1381. See Uckelman. "Alana" in S.L> Uckelman. ed. The Dictionary of medieval Names from European Sources, Ed. 2017, no 1

a'Becket - (abbrev. atte Becket) Derived from Saxon Beck (stream, brook), diminutive form Becket + Saxon atte signifying locative proximity, This atte Becket is Saxon "by the little stream", attested from c 1120, Thomas a'Becket, London England

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2343/2017-10-09/20-24-21_Alana_a'_Becket_name_doc1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2343/2017-10-09/20-24-23_Alana_a'_Becket_name_doc2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=2343/2017-10-09/20-24-24_Alana_a'_Becket_name_doc3.jpg

Name Comments:

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 18:59:05
I can't pull up the links

I see no conflicts

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-16 20:50:13
Link for the given name is http://dmnes.org/name/Alana, which declares that occurrences in England represent a feminine <Alan>, not "Alana", in English.

Submitter should as soon as possible supply the source used for the byname.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-16 23:41:59
Isn't a'Becket a scribal abbreviation?

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-10-17 03:28:46
R&W sn. Becket
William Bechet, Beckett c1155
Robert Beket 1176
Robert Becket 1379
This surname, common in the 12th and 13th centuries as Beket, without article or preposition, must be a diminutive of OFr bec, `little beak or mouth'.

Similarly, MED sv. beket has:
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=byte&byte=12322828&egdisplay=open&egs=12325351
"Something with a beak or pointed nose: (a) a kind of fish, ?a pike; (b) a kind of bird, ?a snipe; (c)?as personal name."
(1200) Willelmus Beket.
(1229) David Beket.

So "Alana _Becket"?

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2017-10-17 10:18:21
We don't register scribal abbreviations. If the source can be identified for Becket as a locative appropriate for use with 'atte', then she can be Alana atte Becket, but the usual English sources cited by ffride only support Alana Becket.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-17 10:53:45
That isn't what I asked. I know we don't register those.

Is the troublesome archbishop Thomas Becket, Thomas a'Becket, or Thomas atte Becket? I remember this argument from a medieval England class and my professor came down on the side of Thomas Becket. We have documentation for that form, but is there any evidence for the others in period?

Is dropping the element a' considered a major change? If so, this may get returned.

Adding atte would add an element and change the language. That is a major change not allowed by the submitter. I believe dropping a' is all we can do to register the item as submitted, if that is a minor change.

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2017-10-18 00:06:57
(I wasn't aware you'd asked anything. I was just responding to the submission.)

The preposition atte 'at the' was used with generic toponyms like "wood" or "hill." Therefore if becket can be shown to sometimes mean 'streamlet' in period, then atte Becket works. However, currently the only support for that is the unnamed source in the documentation section of the submission. The usual sources (R&W, MED) define it as 'little beak', which cannot take a locative preposition.

R&W s.n. Beck has Robert Attebek 1297, defined as 'dweller by the brook', from ME bekke, ON bekkr, "common in the North, the Danelaw, and in Scotland." I don't quite know where to look for the diminutive suffix -et on toponyms, but if evidence for that can be found, then it would support something like Attebeket.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-17 10:47:06
The "à" in Thomas à Becket isn't a scribal abbreviation. The "à" was added long after his death, likely to make his name more like German theologian Thomas à Kempis. So definitely not a good source for documenting as a period name. (Also, I note that the common versions that appear for his name other than Thomas Becket are Thomas à Becket and Thomas a Becket, not Thomas a'Becket.)

I agree that more documentation of the byname is required.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-17 11:00:03
So my history professor was right.
We have support for Thomas Becket. Can we document Thomas atte Becket? Which of these two does the submittor want?

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:03:01
Looks OK.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-16 11:49:56
The default for fesswise arrows is point to sinister, and it's probably best to also blazon where the rose is on the wolf, so:
Argent, a wolf rampant sable charged on the shoulder with a rose argent and on a chief gules an arrow reversed Or.

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:02:22
I agree with Iago about the reblazon.

I see no conflicts

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:03:36
No conflicts found. Agree with Iago's reblazon.


4: Dýrfinna Mikaelsdottir -New Name & New Device

Argent, a mortar and pestle purpure with a sprig of lavender proper and in a chief azure two bees statant Or marked sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Mikael and daughter) most important.

Dýrfinna - Viking Answer Lady. Old Norse Women's Names

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#d

Mikael - Viking Answer Lady. Old Norse Men's Names

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#m

Name Comments:

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:12:35
Links work. I see no conflict

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-10-17 03:51:46
Lind col. 770 sn. Mikiáll has:
Mikaels, genitive, 1461, Iceland.
Where manuscript spellings often spelled the patronymic marker as -dottir:
gudrun rognualldz dottir, 1351
(https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis05bkgoog#page/n96/mode/2up/search/dottir)
Finna þorkelsdottir, 1386
(https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis05bkgoog#page/n430/mode/2up/search/dottir) groa oddzdottir, 1375
(https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis05bkgoog#page/n338/mode/2up/search/oddzdottir)

So "Mikaelsdottir" should also be OK.

The submitter might want to know that Lind col. 207 sn. Dýrfinna has:
Dyrfinna Gislad., 1487
Which is from the 6th volume of Diplomatarium Islandicum, p. 607:
http://baekur.is/is/bok/000197700/6/5/Diplomatarium_Islandicum___Bindi_6_Bls_5
"dyrfinno dottur mina" (Dative case)

So, the submitter could have a seriously lovely 15th century Icelandic name: "Dyrfinna Mikaelsdottir", a wholly normalised Old Norse name: "Dýrfinna Mikaelsdóttir", or a mixed Old Norse/Icelandic name "Dýrfinna Mikaelsdottir."

The problem is she doesn't allow major changes, and we don't know which of the options are what she wants.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 03:22:59
Well, she's submitted your mixed ON/Icelandic version, so we can certainly send it up without inquiry--even though offering alternatives to her would be good.

Villana Palazolo at 2017-10-24 11:41:48
I am the herald who helped with her submissions. I talked to her and she wishes to stick with the original submission spelling for her name.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:04:00
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-16 12:00:40
I'm trying to work out the best way to blazon the fact that the sprig is contained in the mortar, and is coming out of the mortar but not out of the pestle. Maybe something like:

Argent, issuant from a mortar a pestle purpure and a sprig of lavender proper and on a chief azure two bees statant Or marked sable.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-16 17:19:52
We tend to list dexter to sinister, aka left to right. Which is the only improvement I can offer to Maister Iago's blazon:

Argent, issuant from a mortar purpure a sprig of lavender proper and a pestle purpure, on a chief azure two bees statant Or marked sable

However, I am dubious about statant, and would not be happier with volant wings addorsed. These bees are missing their back pairs of legs; when a bee draws one pair up against her body, it's the front set, not the jointed back set.

I was going to also complain that bees' bodies, while not wasp-waisted, are not slug-shaped like those here. But after viewing the various pictures helpfully assembled at https://www.pinterest.com/ggriffiths0768/medieval-bee-keeping/?lp=true, including the beehive from Le Livre des simples médecines pinned from http://www.godecookery.com/afeast/animals/ani036.html, first image below, and the one at http://heaveninawildflower.tumblr.com/post/82977290006/eadfrith-mmmmmmmmm-honey-medieval-bee-hive from the Aberdeen Bestiary, second image, I must concede that this inaccuracy must probably be accepted as period.

Nevertheless, since a redraw is required (see my next comment), I recommend as better models the Luttrell Psalter's bees, pinned at the same site from http://heaveninawildflower.tumblr.com/post/82977290006/eadfrith-mmmmmmmmm-honey-medieval-bee-hive, third image below.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-16 17:35:39
Complexity count: Argent + mortar + purpure + sprig + vert + pestle + chief + azure + bees + Or + sable = 11. Even combining into mortar&pestle and ignoring the markings (although those are not "normally unblazoned") leaves us with 9.

I think submitter's best move is changing argent to Or, azure to purpure, and sable to vert (or to purpure, if the bees may be marked in the same tincture they lie on). Unsurprisingly, this produces a more heraldic gestalt.

Alternatively, Or could become argent, though I think less attractively. Or the sprig could replace the pestle instead of joining it.

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:21:07
I see no conflict.

That being said, I would never have called that a lavender sprig. I agree with the re blazon

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:04:55
No conflicts found. Agree that the rendering of the bees and the sprig are problematic. I get a complexity count of ten, which is over the limit. We normally say "on a chief" rather than "in a chief". Iago's reblazon is probably as close as we're going to get here.


5: Justin Outlawe -New Name & New Device

Gules, a pile flory argent a polypus sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

From Asterisk - I have verified that Justin is his legal first name

Justin - legal name

Outlawe - English surname: <James Outlawe> married 16 Oct 1559 Saint Matthew, Ipswich, Suffolk, England; Batch M01277-1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2BB-RWG <Elizabeth Outlawe> Christened 7 Aug 1588 Swaffham Prior, Cambridge, England; Batch C13835-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSG8-HP6 <Marie Outlawe> Christened 7 Sep 1609 Elsing, Norfolk, England; Batch I07533-4 Https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM35-54K

From Asterisk - I have verified that he has permission to conflict

Name Comments:

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:28:41
Links work. I see no conflict

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2017-10-17 05:17:56
Docs for Justin: Dictionary of Tudor London Names by Sara L. Uckelman. Justin pat. from Lat. Justinus (1) Castle Baynard, 1582. http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/tudorlondon.pdf Will need photocopy.

Reaney&Wilson, s.n. Justin, Justins, says, "But Justinus is also certainly a latinization of ON Iosteinn, which is found in DB in 1066 as Justen, Justan and Justinus (PNDB) and this would certainly be at home among the Scandinavian names of Norfolk and Suffolk." PNDB is Olof von Feilitzen's "The Pre-Conquest Personal Names of Domesday Book".

Justen Hill, male, buried 27 Jul 1571, St. Dunstan-In-The-West, London, England, Batch B00020-4 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDHZ-PML

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:06:00
Surname docs check out. Another joke name: bleh.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-16 12:57:25
Adding the word 'on' to specify where the polypus is, and clarifying that the pile is only flory at the point gives:

Gules, on a pile flory at the point argent a polypus sable.

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:29:05
I see no conflict

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:07:00
No conflicts found. Agree with Iago's reblazon.


6: Micolay Haiduk -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2009, via Ansteorra.

Gules, a cross fourchy argent between the tines of each fork a plate

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-16 17:44:39
The proposed blazon is more readable with an added comma:

Gules, a cross fourchy argent, between the tines of each fork a plate

Alternatively, we could try:

Gules, a cross fourchy between in cross four roundels argent

though that might suggest larger plates.

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-16 17:50:19
My guess is that this blazon was based directly on the one cited for 'cross fourchy' in the PicDic. Zygmunt Nadratowski: Per pale argent and gules, a cross fourchy between the tines of each fork a roundel sable. (January of 2003 via the Middle).

But I agree that adding the comma increases readability.

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:32:43
I see no conflict

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:07:28
No conflicts found. Gerard's reblazon looks good.


7: Munokhoi Kiyan -New Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Or, a three headed naga glissant within a orle surmounted by three lotus blossoms sable

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-16 13:09:53
There is a step from period practice for the naga.

A bigger issue is that Appendix 1.D says: "We do not allow overall charges to overlie peripheral ordinaries, except as an Individually Attested Pattern."

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 03:14:50
Concur as the the unregisterability of the design without an IAP, which would entail finding the naga used as a charge in some definable heraldic tradition. Note that http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/03/16-03lar.html#252, Golden Playne, Canton of, makes the naga registerable with an SFPP.

While we're at it let's fix the very minor typos in the submitted blazon:

Or, a three-headed naga glissant within an orle surmounted by three lotus blossoms sable

I'm not sure that requires the blossoms to be placed at the corners, but since the point is moot ...

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:36:10
Oanda name search finds the name Munokhoi Kiyan This name was registered in February of 2017 (via Ansteorra).

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-16 22:04:50
This is not a new device but a resubmission for a February 2017 Laurel return.

Munokhoi Kiyan. Device. Sable, a six-headed serpent erect tail nowed Or, a base Or goutty de sang.
This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." It is also returned for not being reliably blazonable, which is a violation of SENA A1C which requires an emblazon to be describable in heraldic terms.
As depicted, the lack of legs and the fact that the heads seem to be issuing from different levels reduce the creature's identifiability. It is further reduced because of the creature's posture where the body is partly curved and where the tail is nowed partly around the body, partly around itself, in a manner which is not readily describable using standard blazon.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 03:07:18
Submitted, as Lord Magnus could have told us but didn't, as <Munokhoi Kiyad> and viewable at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=70464/, where it was called "a six-headed wingless hydra". The current submission has dealt with the difficulties identified in the return of that emblazon.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-18 08:13:12
Those are fixed but a new reason for return was introduced (see commentary above). At least this one was caught while still at kingdom. What is of concern are the number of resubmissions marked as New. This is happening in all of the kingdoms. This is the one admin issue that causes real headaches for the submission process.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 16:50:11
Does this seem to be an OSCAR problem, like the number of registered names not found, or a herald problem?

Eirik Halfdanarson (Star) at 2017-10-18 17:11:45
It's a problem I will address.


8: Mýra-Gyŏa -New Name Change & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Marchias(1/1981), Marie Joyeux (12/1994), Mariss Ghijs (1/2005), Merewyke (2/2014), Moire Ayres (3/2010), Mora Gowe (8/2003), Mwre, House (3/2005)

OSCAR NOTE: 'Old Item' should contain the former primary name. The form that is there is not a registered name.

Argent, in pale a flax flower azure barbes and seeded proper and a triquetra inverted vert between flaunches sable

Old Item: , to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.

Gyŏa - Norse given name http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensName#g

Mýra - Norse byname (in the form of a prefix) http://www.ellipsis,cx/~liana/names/nirse/vikbynames.html

Name Comments:

Elena Wyth (Bordure) at 2017-10-16 13:06:38
This item has been withdrawn by the submitter.

Device Comments:

Elena Wyth (Bordure) at 2017-10-16 13:07:00
This item has been withdrawn by the submitter.


9: Uliana Haiduk -New Name & New Device

Azure, in pale two dogwood blossoms argent (seeded Or)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (The most russian or slovic sounding version of Julia) most important.
Culture most important.

Uliana - 1554, variation of lul'iana, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/h-j.html

Haiduk - Wickenden (3rd ed) s.n. Gaiduk dates Olexa Haiduk to 1592; the header is glossed as 'grove'

Name Comments:

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:45:46
Link works. I see no conflict

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-10-17 05:24:13
I would be very surprised if Wickenden's gloss is correct, as the hajduk/haiduk/gaiduk/гайдук was a type of Hungarian soldier.
See: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BA or Wikipedia's Polish-language article: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajduk_(s%C5%82u%C5%BC%C4%85cy)

For instance, there is...
Анна Івасенко. 2012-3. "Лексико-семантична характеристика та класифікація прізвищевих назв українців Галичини XVI ст." Українознавчі студії. № 13-14. - С. 35-41.
Pretty sure that's: [Anna Ivasenko. 2012-3. "Lexico-semantic characteristics and classifications of the surnames of Galician Ukrainians of the 16th century" Ukrainian Studies.]
(http://www.irbis-nbuv.gov.ua/cgi-bin/irbis_nbuv/cgiirbis_64.exe?C21COM=2&I21DBN=UJRN&P21DBN=UJRN&IMA GE_FILE_DOWNLOAD=1&Image_file_name=PDF/Us_2012-2013_13-14_6.pdf)

Which has:
"Прізвищеві назви, які утворилися з адміністративно-юридичної лексики у ХVІ ст. займають досить помітне місце, через те, що вони розкривають нам тогочасну систему державного управління, з тогочасними правовими відносинами. Ряд прізвищевих назв, пов`язаних із адміністративним управлінням, успадковано із староукраїнської мови, наприклад... Haiduk Chwedor (<гайдук)...."

"Surnames, that were formed from the administrative and legal vocabulary in the sixteenth century occupy a rather prominent place [in the data], because they reveal to us the system of public administration, and its legal dealings of the time. A number of surnames associated with the government administration and management, are descended from Old Ukrainian terms, for example ... Haiduk Chwedor (<гайдук) ...."

My 16th and early 17th C. feminine names from Lithuanian records gives us examples of women recorded with bynames relating to the men in their lives in Polish and Ruthenian, such as:
https://s-gabriel.org/names/ffride/lithuanianwomenoccu.html
J. M. pani Talwoszowa, kasztelanowa żmudzka
[Her grace, lady Talwoszow's daughter, castellan of Samogitia.]
Александровая, городничая Киевская
Aleksandr, Chief-of-Police of Kīev's wife.

But given Wickenden spells the name Haiduk, and he consistently spells "г" as "g," I'd assume we're dealing with a Polish-language record, so you'd expect to see "Haidukowa" for a female name.

SENA Appendix C allows for the mixing of North Slavic (Polish) with East Slavic (Russian).

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2017-10-17 10:49:10
I don't know any Russian, so I can't tell whether there's a coincidence of sounds with a Russian word meaning 'grove'. Here's my translation of the etymological dictionary's entry for hajdú:

hajdu [1500-1510 pers. n., 1514] Developed from the present participle _hajtó_ 'driving, moving' of the verb _hajt_ 'to impel, to propel, to push'. A problem, however, is that the theorized jt>jd voicing has very few examples, compare _hajdan, majd_. For the word-end change of ó ~ ú, compare _háború, nyomorú_. The meaning of 'footsoldier' developed from the original sense of 'cattle-herder, cattle-driver', based on the fact that drovers went about their work fully armed. As a technical term in the historical sciences, it denotes the soldiers settled on his private property by the Transylvanian prince István Bocskai. The soldiers owed military service in exchange for their land. The Hungarian word _hajdú_ became a widespread loanword, compare German _Heiduck_ 'hajdú, uniformed soldier', French _hed'duque_ 'Hungarian footsoldier, uniformed soldier, hajdú', Russian [gajduk] 'uniformed soldier, lackey; Balkan freedom fighter, upriser against the Turks', Ottoman-Turkish _haydut_ 'robber'.
The -k at the end is the plural. (Bocskai is early 17th century, so not-quite-relevant to the name in Wickenden.)

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-10-24 14:24:11
Oh, it's not Russian, and it's nowhere near the Russian terms for a grove (les, lesok, occasionally roshcha). Most of the words in modern Russian beginning Xa- were borrowed in from other languages.

Juetta Copin at 2017-10-27 03:52:41
The Russian version of Julia would be Iuliia or Uleia (Wickenden s.n. Iuliia). But if she finds Uliana more "Russian sounding", who am I to argue?

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:08:36
Given name doc checks out.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-16 17:57:02
These seem to be the New World blossoms that get an SFPP and are sometimes so blazoned--but it seems impossible that there is a second step. So:

Azure, in pale two New World dogwood blossoms argent seeded Or

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:40:39
I see no conflict

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:09:05
The seeds are so small in relation to their outlines as to appear that the centers are solid sable. No conflicts found. Agree with Gerard's reblazon.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-07 20:59:43
I get the impression of a very dark Or.


10: Wyldewode, Canton of -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Ansteorra LoI of October 13, 2016 as submitted.

Or, three chevronels braces vert on a base embattled azure a laurel wreath Or

From Asterisk - petition was signed by a majority of the officers

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Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2017-10-16 13:17:56
Minor fixes to the blazon:

Or, three chevronels braced vert and on a base embattled azure a laurel wreath Or.

Thora Grimudottir at 2017-10-16 19:49:16
I see no conflict

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-10-16 22:10:39
Wyldewode, Canton of registered January 2017.

The previous return at Laurel
Wyldewode, Canton of. Device. Per fess embattled Or and azure, three chevronels braced vert and a savage's head couped within a laurel wreath Or.
This device is returned for multiple issues. We have a single group of primaries which combines ordinaries with non-ordinaries. This has been disallowed for some time, and was recently re-affirmed in the return of Sean Kirkpatrick, on the LoAR of July 2015.
Even if we could document the combination of chevronels braced with other primary charges, this could not be registered. When part of a primary charge group, a wreath and what it surrounds are co-primary charges, which means that we have a single group of three different types of charge: chevronel, head and wreath. This slot-machine heraldry is disallowed, per SENA A3D2a.
On resubmission, please ensure that the petition of support follows the requirements of the Administrative Handbook.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-18 03:18:06
The problems cited seem to have been resolved.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-11-07 20:10:26
The canton's badge, registered 6/17, is "Or, three chevronels braced vert, a base embattled azure".



OSCAR counts 4 Names, 1 Name Change, 8 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 15 items submitted on this letter.

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