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Gleann Abhann LoI dated 2017-09-09

Greetings from Evalaiia Ruby Deputy and Skaia Ruby on this day where we watch the skies with care and hope for the best for our neighbors in Meridies, Ansteorra, and Trimaris.

1: Angharat verch Trahaern - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (Angharat spelled with a "T" at end, Trahaern with "AE" in spelling) most important.

Angharat "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html)

In a simple list of 13th century Welsh names, "Angharat" was the most common woman's name. Academy of Saint Gabriel report 1154 (https://www.s-gabriel.org/1154)

verch "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html)

The Welch word for "Daughter" is "ferch" found a "merc" or "merch" until about the 11th century, "verch" in the 12th to 14th centuries, and "ferch" from the 15th century to modern times. Academy of Saint Gabriel report 1364(https://www.s-gabriel.org/1364)

Trahaern "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html)

"... spellings we found in 13th century records...including "Trahaern" Academy of Saint Gabriel report 256 (https://www.s-gabriel.org/256)

"Here's the information we found on 13th century Welsh names....The most common men's names starting with "T" are...."Including Trahaern" Academy of Saint Gabriel report 264(https://www.s-gabriel.org/264)


2: Eirikir Soltinn Ulfr - New Name & New Device

Per pale sable and gules in fes a wolfs head erased to sinister and a wolfs head erased inverted argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning most important.

Geirr Bassi Hardsson. The Old Norse Name. (1977)

P.9 Eirikr 12

P.15 Ulfr 21

Diplomatarium Norvegicum - Eirikir (3 of 17 matches found)

V12 no. 7 19 marts 1285

V12 no. 41 30 Mai 1306

V12 no. 60 1 Februar 1323

A Concise Dictionary of old Icelandic (1910, 551p) by Geir T. Zoega - Soltinn (395) hungry Starving

Fire - Burial among our Germanic Forefathers, (June 1875) pg 736. Fazer's Magazine , V 2 - No 66 Newsiers

(' Soltinn Cardt Sigurdt Sunnan Ringar') 21 21 Fragment od a Bryuhild Lay, 5.

During internal commentary, further information was uncovered.

Lind col. 223 sn. Eiríkr

Eirikir, nominative case, dated 1311.

Lind Personbinamn col. 12 sn. Glufsa

Pétr gl., circa 1188.

Lind glosses the byname as "sluka, äta glupskt", something like "to devour, or be desirous of food"

col 391 sn Úlfr

Nicholaus kaupmannus dictus vlf, 1320

The November 2016 LoAR sn. Lars Gulli Bjorn (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/11/16-11lar.html#93) notes:

"...double bynames in Old Norse are permitted if both can reasonably describe the same person." If this is applicable here is somewhat doubtful, given the earliest name element is 12th century. The closest precedent I can think of, is on the June 2015 LoAR: sn. Egil Drake howd.

(http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/06/15-06lar.hmtl#230)

"Although the pattern of double bynames is found in Appendix A of SENA for Old Icelandic, and the pattern animal + head is attested in that language, neither pattern is listed for the various Scandinavian languages after c. 1100. After the Pelican decision meeting , ffride wlffsdotter documented several 12th-15th century examples of occupation + descriptive by name or occupation + descriptive byname + patronym from Norway and Iceland in Lind Personbinamn. Therefore, we can give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that other double descriptive bynames are plausible as well, but the name is not likely to be authentic for the submitter's desired place and time."


3: Margot Becker - New Release of Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in January of 2015, via Gleann Abhann.

Old Item: Ella Strasser, to be released.

Margot - As you noted, <Margot> is found in the 1292 Census of Paris [1]. This is itself a short form of <Marguerite>, a name ultimately derived from the Greek word for "pearl" [2]. Although we only have a few examples of

<Margot> in period, it was probably available for most of the period of

time in which you are interested. It may not have been at all common, but

our sources are spotty enough that we really can't tell. <Margot> was

pronounced the same way it is now for most of your period, mar-go, but

may have been pronounced mar-GOHT in the earliest part of it. (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2309)

Becker - Found twice as a name in Nürmburg. German Names from Nürnberg, 1497: A - M by Sara L. Uckelman (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/surnamesnurna-m.html)


4: Morgana Dragonetti - Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

Names has been completely reworked from its original submission on 01-2017 LoAR http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/01/17-01lar.html - from {Ae}thellind Leifsdóttir.

Morgana is found in "Names from Early 16th Census of Rome" http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/leofemfreq.html

Dragonetti found three times in "Online Tratte of Office Holders 1282-1532 -Edited by David Herlihy, R. Burr Litchfield, Anthony Molho and Roberto Barducci." http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte/


5: Sáerlaith ingen Buadaig - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (female, non-Viking Irish, 850-900 ce.) most important.

Sáerlaith - http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Saerlaith.shtml

ingen Buadaig: 'daughter' + genitive of Buadach - http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Buadach.shtml


Yours in Service

Skaia Ruby

Evlaliia Ruby Deputy


OSCAR counts 3 New Names and 1 New Device. These 4 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $16 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Name. This item is not chargeable. There is 1 release, which does not require payment. There are a total of 6 items submitted on this letter.

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