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An Tir KLOI from Central/Summits dated 2017-09-02

Greetings to Black Lion, Lions Blood, and the An Tir College of Heralds!

Please find below our submissions for this month. Thank you for your comments!

1: Alexandre de Sant Romà de Sau -New Name & New Device

Per Pale Gules and Argent, A Peacock Contourny Tail spread counterchanged.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity.
Sound (Most important would be to use Roma as the byname) most important.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

The submitter's branch is Wealdsmere.

Alexandre - French, Portuguese, Catalan and Galician form of the name Alexander. Found as a name in the account books of Isabel of Castilla as mentioned in Smith, Julia. "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" <http://heraldry.sca.org/names/isabella/index.html>. Also found as early as 1128 (Diez Melcon) and into the 15th century including shortened forms (De Atienza, Julio & De Atienza, Julio) as referenced in Academy of St. Gabriel Report 1554 <http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1554.txt>.

de Sant Romà de Sau - Location name indicating from the city of de Sant Romà de Sau which was a city located in the municipality of Vilanova de Sau, Catalonia, Spain.

The device comes with a letter written by 'Izza al-Dimashqi:

"To Whom it Concerns,

If there is found to be a conflict between that of myself and that of my husband [legal name redacted] (also submitting at this time separately) I am okay with any conflict on my part. I am writing per recommendation of our local herald.

[Legal name redacted]"


2: Brendan Shimmeringstar -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 1982, via the West.

(Fieldless) A badger rampant azure marked argent

The submitter's branch is Wyewood.


3: Cocco di Cola Carboni -New Name & New Device

Argent, a semy of rustres and a chief dancetty sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist.

All three name elements Cocco, Cola, and Carboni, are found in the Online Tratte of Office Holders dating to the 1300s.

Cola and Cocco: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLNAME1.html

Carboni: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLSURNAM1.html

The naming pattern: given name + di + given name + family name is common throughout period on the Italian peninsula as is given name + family name; Submitter will accept Cola Carboni if full name is not registerable. (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/arezzo.html).

Correction to Name (2017-Sep-07 15:09:27): I've received a correction from the Submitter's consultation herald with a followup confirmation from the submitter. The name was put on the submissions forms as Cocco di Cola Carboni in error. The name should read Cola di Cocco Carboni.


4: Davide di Francesco Dominici -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2014, via An Tir.

Azure, a cross Toulouse Or between two bar gemels argent.

Old Item: , to be retained as a badge.

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist.


5: Doclor of Dragon Haven -New Name & New Device

per pale argent and Or, a dragon's head sinister issant from a tower sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (Sounds like "Doc") most important.

The submitter's branch is Cranehaven.

Doclor is dated to 1644 Germany on Family Search <https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCP3-NXT>.

A page of previous registrations using the element "Dragon" is attached, along with a reference to the cover letter of the May 2008 LOAR: "-haven in constructed English place names. When this element was ruled SCA-compatible as a deuterotheme in English place names, the only examples that had been found to that point appended the element Haven to an already existing place name. Since then, examples have been found of -haven used as a genuine deuterotheme, in Whytehauene 1279 and Whithaven 1535 (Watts s.n. Whitehaven), and Kihavene, Kyhavene c.1170-1316 and Kayhaven 1532 (Watts s.n. Keyhaven)" <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/05/08-05cl.html>.

The device comes with a letter (see attached): "Dear College of Heralds,

I give permission for my husband Doclor of Dragon Haven to utilize my field division and colors for his device.

Sincerely,

Gey Sha of Dragon Haven

8/25/17"

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-35-36_Doclor_name_0002.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-35-38_Doclor_name_0003.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-35-40_Doclor_name_0004.jpg

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-38-59_Doclor_device_0002.jpg


6: Domnall Scriptor -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2015, via An Tir.

Per saltire, azure and gules. A compass or, a quill argent.

The submitter's branch is Cranehaven.


7: Dragon's Mist, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2015, via An Tir.

Argent, a lamp gules on a cheif nebuly sable, five plates


8: Francis Darcy -Resub Appeal of Laurel Return of Device

OSCAR finds the name on the An Tir LoI of October 31, 2016 as submitted.

Per fess rayonny gules and argent, three roses counterchanged

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains.

The submission includes the following discussion of a previous return at the Laurel level:

Original Return

In February 2017, Francis Darcy's device was returned for conflict with Katerina de Glen: Per fess argent and sable, two roses gules and a rose argent all barbed and seeded proper. Only one DC was given for changes to the field, with no DCs for the change of tincture to the primary charge group as half of the roses remained white, and half of the roses remained red with only one of the three roses changing from gules to argent.

A second conflict was called with Odillia Marguerite du Parc: Per fess argent and gules, three cinquefoils counterchanged. As above, only one DC was given for the changes to field and none for the change of tincture to the primary charge group as half the roses remained white and half remained red with one rose changing from red to white. There is no DC between cinquefoils and roses.

Appeal

We believe that this return is based on an application of the wrong part of SENA. SENA A5G3a, which discusses what is required for a change of tincture to count, says:

If the tincture of at least half the charge group is changed, the charge group will be considered different. There is a distinct change (DC) for swapping or rotating the tinctures of a charge group evenly divided into two, three, or four parts. [emphasis added]

Note that this rule does not penalize "forced" changes of tincture. The only discussion of forced changes is in changes to arrangement (about which more in a moment).

Application of SENA A5G3a

Consider how this rule is applied to different kinds of charge groups. First, consider a single rose split per fess argent and gules vs. a single rose split per fess gules and argent. The rule and precedent makes it clear that there is a DC for tincture between the two, even if the field would not allow the other tincture pattern to exist. There are two DCs between Per fess argent and gules, a rose counterchanged and Per fess gules and argent, a rose counterchanged.

The Darcy decision, together with the decision on Toivo Laukainen (which deals with "forced change" of posture/orientation in similar ways), argues that when there are multiple charges in a charge group, we must consider changes to arrangement of the individual charges within a charge group forced by tincture before we consider whether a DC can be given for any other changes. On the one hand, this is plausible given the broad principle that we give the greatest protection possible under our rules to the registered item.

On the other hand, the rules (in a carryover from the RfS), say clearly that we do not do this when comparing type of charges. Under SENA A5G3a, the design Per fess azure and argent, a lion passant and a mullet counterchanged is unproblematically clear of Per fess argent and azure, a mullet and a lion passant counterchanged. Note that each has a white lion and a blue mullet which are forced by tincture to be in that location. However, SENA A5E2 says clearly, "When possible, each charge in the new armory is compared to the charge in the corresponding location in the protected armory." So at least for type, "forced changes" do not remove the difference.

SENA A5G3a refers to charge groups, not charges. Therefore, the statement:

There is a distinct change (DC) for swapping or rotating the tinctures of a charge group evenly divided into two, three, or four parts.

can apply to individual charges within the charge group or to the charge group as a whole. As we have shown above, for a charge group consisting of a single charge, rotating the tinctures gives a DC even if the rotation is "forced." To treat charge groups consisting of multiple charges differently violates the concept that a charge group should always be treated the same way whether the charge group contains a single charge or multiple charges. Note that the section on forced changes of arrangement as written does not have that problem: a charge group of any size from one to semy can be forced to chief, to dexter, etc., by changes of field tincture.

Forced Changes

SENA A5G6 discusses how forced changes do not contribute a distinct change:

Changes to other parts of the design frequently cause changes to the arrangement of charge groups. We call these changes forced; there is no distinct change for a forced change of arrangement. A change to the primary charge group can force the change of arrangement of a secondary charge group. When a type of a charge requires a specific arrangement, there is no distinct change for arrangement when the type of charge is changed.

The discussed changes only affect the arrangement of the charges.

A5G6 also discusses how tincture can force charges into different positions on the field:

Changes in tincture of a divided field or the tincture of a charge group can force the charges into different positions on the field. These forced changes are also not worth a distinct change.

However, when looking at the examples, it becomes clear that the forced changes to the charges are changes to arrangement. The charges were changed in their positions relative to one another. In the submitted device, the charges remained in the same arrangement as the charges in the registered device -- there has been no forced change of arrangement. Instead, the tinctures have been rotated as permitted in A5G3a.

Conclusion

We believe that SENA makes it clear that the idea of "forced changes" is limited to the arrangement of charges on the field. Other changes - of type, of tincture, and of posture - should be compared looking at the charge group as it exists with no attention to "forcing" of the location of individual charges within the group. If this decision is upheld, we believe that SENA needs to be revised to make it clear that we are changing the way these rules should be applied and that those changes should affect single charges as well as multiple ones.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-47-41_Francis_device_0002.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-47-43_Francis_device_0003.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-09-02/22-47-44_Francis_device_0004.jpg


9: Guiote de Bourgogne -New Name

No major changes.
Language (French) most important.
Culture (15th century Bourgogne) most important.

The submitter's branch is Aquaterra.

Reference used for the first name:

"French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438"

http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423.html

*see page 13/14 of attached

From the consulting herald: The Bourgogne surname can be dated to 1190, according to page 105 of the Dictionnarie etymologique des noms de lieux en France.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-23/14-44-01_Guiote_name_0002.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-23/14-44-03_Guiote_name_0003.jpg


10: 'Izza al-Dimashqi -New Name & New Device

'Izza al-Dimashqi

Per Pale Argent and Azure, A Peacock tail spread counterchanged.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language most important.
Culture (14th to 16th century Ottoman) most important.

The submitter's branch is Wealdsmere.

'Izza - This is the Arabic feminine form of the masculine name 'Isa which is an Arabic translation of the Hebrew name Jesus. Appleton, David B. "PERIOD ARABIC NAMES AND NAMING PRACTICES" <http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm>.

al-Dimashqi - Geographical names are one of the three primary forms of bynames. These geographic names are proceeded by an "al". For the location I chose Damascus as it was a major city of trade in the Ottoman empire during the 14th to 16th centuries. (See the above source.)

The device comes with a letter written by Alexandre de Sant Romà de Sau:

"To whom it may concern,

My wife, [legal name redacted], and I have created our Antir Heraldry devices and they are very similar to each other. They differ in color, direction, size and shape but are similar in design. We have done this on purpose as her persona would not normally have had her own device in her time period. She has designed her own device to mirror my own as a peacock in contrasting color in the opposing direction. Sort of a yin and yang concept. I am ok with any conflict between our devices and she has written a similar letter in her own submission.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Alexandre de Sant Roma de Sau

[Legal name redacted]"


11: Lissette de la Rose -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) on a Catherine's Wheel Or, a rose purpurse barbed seeded Or.

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist.


12: Saoirse Inghean Ui Ruaic -New Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Or in pale between two lions passant an arrow fesswise sable

The submitter's branch is Adiantum.


13: Sigriðr Vilhjalmsdottir -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Laire.

Sigriðr - Female given name, p. 14 of "The Old Norse Name," Geirr-Bassi Haraldsson

Vilhjalm - Male given name, p. 17 of "The Old Norse Name," Geirr-Bassi Haraldsson


14: Sun Jiang -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the An Tir LoI of January 31, 2017 as Sūn Jiāng.

On a Field Or Sūn (Calligraphic form of of the Chinese Character for my surname 孫 Sūn) Sable and on a Chief Sable a ledel inverted argent. Bordure embatted Sable.

The submitter's branch is Stromgard.


15: Zayd al-Ifriqi -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

The submitter's branch is Wyewood.

<Zayd> is found in Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)'s "Andalusian Names: Arabs in Spain" <https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/andalusia/>, as well as in the below.

<al-Ifriqi> ("the [north] African") is found in Da'ud ibn Auda (David B. Appleton)'s "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices," <http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm>. The construction of this name follows bullet 5.3, an ism followed by a nisba.

Only the first five pages of the included documentation are attached here. The remaining five will be attached in comments.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-31/18-37-40_Zayd_name_0002.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-31/18-37-41_Zayd_name_0003.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-31/18-37-42_Zayd_name_0004.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-31/18-37-44_Zayd_name_0005.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1338/2017-08-31/18-37-45_Zayd_name_0006.jpg


Yours in service,

~ Emelyn Fulredy

Boar Pursuivant


OSCAR counts 7 Names, 8 Devices, 1 Device Change and 3 Badges. There are a total of 19 items submitted on this letter.

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