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Avacal LoI dated 2017-07-31
Greetings from the Avacal College of Heralds. This month we have four submissions for your consideration.
1: Albrecht von Rügen - Resub Device
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2016, via Avacal.
Argent, a crown within an annulet of chain Or, upon an eagle head sable contourny issuing from base.
Restricted charge - chain submitter, was knighted Jun 29, 1996 according to the Avacal OP.
Restricted charge - coronet, submitter was made viscount February 21, 1998 and was made a duke Jun 3, 2017
Submission history, as per Jun 2016 LoAR:
Argent, in pale a coronet voided and an eagle's head contourny issuant from base sable charged with an annulet of chain Or.
"This device is returned for running afoul of SENA A3C which states "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with ordinaries or simple geometric charges when they are part of a primary charge group." By precedent, a coronet is not simple enough to void.
The submitter is a knight and thus entitled to display an annulet of chain in his armory. The submitter is also a viscount and thus allowed to use a coronet in his armory."
This design has eliminated the voided coronet and has placed it on the eagle head in base.
During commentary, two points of view were brought up about the annulet of chain and the coronet.
1) According to Appendix I, "A single charge group may only have one tertiary charge group on it." If we see the annulet of chain and the coronet as two separate charge groups, then it is not allowed.
2) According to the March 2009 cover letter, "A widget within an annulet will continue to be considered a primary widget and a secondary annulet, or a primary annulet and secondary widget, when those charges are the only charges on the field. Which of the two charges is primary depends, as always, on the emblazon.
When both are present in a design as part of a primary charge group, or where they would be expected to be a secondary charge, the widget and annulet will both be considered part of the same group."
Is an annulet of chain similar to an annulet and hence would be considered one charge group? If so then the combination of crown (widget) within a annulet would be one charge group and hence allowed.
We are unclear on which is the one should be chosen here so we leave it up to Pelican to decide.
2: Kerry Garadh - Resub Device
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2015, via Avacal.
Per fess embattled azure and argent, in chief three reremice argent
Device. Azure, a wall couped argent masoned sable.
This device is returned for multiple conflicts on the Aug 2015 LoAR.
This is a complete re-design and the above history is not relevant.
During commentary, two conflicts were quoted by Basil Dragonheart:
Morgan Alyn Alwyn (Aug 1984 via Meridies):
Per pale gules and sable, in pale three bats displayed argent.
There is a DC for the field. However, there is no DC, nor SC, for the arrangement, as both A.5.E.4 and A.5.G.6 clearly state there's no difference when either piece of armory has a forced arrangement. That is, since the bats in this armory could not be put in pale (as that puts one & a half argent bats on the argent part of the field), there can be neither SC nor DC.
Rahil bint Haroun (May 2009 via Trimaris) Per pall argent, purpure and sable, a reremouse sable and two reremice argent.
We are a little unclear on why arrangement doesn't provide a DC when it is forced on the field (not that it doesn't give a DC or SC because SENA is specific about that).
If the background was completely azure, the arrangement of in pale or in fess would have a SC. If we were looking for 2 DC, it would count as a DC. With this background, it does not because they are forced. We would like a better clarification on why this force does get a DC even with an arrangement of 1 and 2 so we can explain it to this submitter and for future submissions.
3: Myrrgarðr, Shire of - New Branch Name & New Device
No blazon provided.
myrr-definition from the Old Norse dictionary - MYRR, f., mod. myri, gen. myrar, dat. and acc. myri, pl. myrar [Engl. m oor and mire]: --amore, bog, swamp, Hkr. i. 55, Hrafn. 27, Eg. 409, 710, Nj. 203, Fs. 50, 65, Gull p. 14, Fms. vi, 334, xi. 26, Sks. 85, Sturl.i. 179: for the old custom of putting criminals to death in fens see Gkv.3. II, Jonisv. S. ch. 7, Kjaln. S. ch. 2, Tacit. Germ. ch. 12: --freq. in local names, Mýri, Mýrar, whence Mýra-menn, Mýranmanna-kyn, in. pl. the men from the county M., n. une of a family; Alpta-nivrr, Ranða-imm'rr, Landn., map of Iceland.
Used in place names found in Nams from Scandinavian Runes by Lena Peterson (English translation) by (C.L.Ward): MýribR -pg 125
garðr-used in pace names found in Names from Scandinavian Runes by Lena Peterson (English translation) by (C.L.Ward):
Holmgarðr - pg 12; Midgarðr -pg 124; Slitagarðr-page 125.
During commentary ffride wlffsdotter provided that:
the examples of Mýrr- placenames are in the genitive, ie. Mýra to form Mýragarðr.
If the group wants to not have the extra -a- in there, they might do better with a later-period name.
Eg. "Norske Gaardnavne" by O. Rygh has:
vol. 7, p. 305, no. 47. sn. Myrejord.
Reconstruced as *Mýrargerði "Bogs's fence"
We would like other commentary on the construction, however, the submitter will accept minor or major changes.
Petition for the name and device is in the packet.
Avacal College of Heralds
OSCAR counts 1 New Branch Name and 1 New Device. These 2 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $8 for them. OSCAR counts 2 Resub Devices. These 2 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 4 items submitted on this letter.
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