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Middle ILoI dated 2017-06-17

Greetings unto Konrad Dragon, Sybella Rouge Scarpe, and the commenting Heralds of the Middle Kingdom.

Enclosed are the compiled submissions for the month of March 2017. Commentary is due July 17, 2017.

I apologize for the condition of some scans - my scanner is being inconsistent. In a very few instances I digitally recolored emblazons to match the tinctures on submission forms. No other changes were made.

Yours in service,

Ginevra Boscoli

Escutcheon

1: Aline Swynbroke -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2013, via Calontir.

(Fieldless) A quatrefoil barry argent and vert.


2: Americk Gilead -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of November 30, 2016 as submitted.

Argent, a bend sinister gules cotised and overall a raven displayed sable.

This item was returned on the February 2017 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/02/17-02lar.html):

"This device submission must unfortunately be returned administratively: the black and white and the color emblazon are blazonably different. The bend sinister in the outline drawing is fimbriated, while the color emblazon has the bend sinister cotised.

The use of a raven displayed is a step from period practice. We note that a fimbriated ordinary surmounted by another charge is also a step from period practice, which would likewise be grounds for return when combined with the displayed bird. If the intent of the submitter is to use cotises rather than fimbriation, this will not be an issue."

This resubmission addresses the reasons stated in the return.


3: Brynniulfr Herleifsson -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2013, via the Middle.

Quarterly sable and vert a bear's head erased and a bordure argent, and for augmentation in base a quill pen fesswise argent enflamed proper.

Previous submission was returned on the July 2017 LOAR:

Brynniulfr Herleifsson. Augmentation of arms. Quarterly sable and vert a bear's head erased and a bordure argent and for augmentation in base a quill pen fesswise argent enflamed proper.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Commenters could not identify the charge used for augmentation.

Previous submission is included below.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-30/21-38-44_Brynn_AugBW.png
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-30/21-38-44_Brynn_AugC.png


4: Brynniulfr Herleifsson -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2013, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) A bear rampant regardant argent, collared and chained with a broken chain vert, maintaining a grozing iron sable.


5: Caerhart, Canton of -New Branch Name & New Device

Argent, a hart standant affrontte sable, within a laurel wreath vert, a border embattled gules.

No major changes.
Meaning most important.

Caer (Welsh) - "stronghold, fortress, citadel." Examples of usage include Caerleon, Caernarfon, Caerphilly, and others.

Hart - just a deer.

Submitting branch would prefer if the elements can be combined, but if changing to be separate (Caer Hart) would help it pass, that would be fine as well.

A petition of support from members and populace of the incipient branch is included below.


6: Destinee L'Evesque -New Name & New Device

Azure, a dog's head couped to sinister and an orle Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (French, 13th-14th century) most important.

Destinee: variation of legal name "Destiny". Variation of French word "destinee" and English word "destiny".

Ductyne Stete. "England Births and Christenings", 1583-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J35D-X4Q)

[Escutcheon note: Batch #C04287-9; Christening is dated to 1571.]

L'Evesque:

Abraham L'Evesque. "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NC4M-D4T)

[Escutcheon note: Batch #C93283-1; Christening is dated to 1584.]

Escutcheon note: emblazon was colored in crayon.


7: Donald MacBrew -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of November 30, 2016 as submitted.

Vert, triskelion of arms armored argent within a bordure embattles argent.

Previous device submission was returned on the February 2017 LoAR:

"Device. Gules, a triskelion of armored arms argent, a bordure embattled Or.

This device is returned for conflict with the Lord of the Isle of Man (important non-SCA arms), Gules, a triskelion of armored legs argent. There is one DC for the addition of the bordure. However, a triskelion of armored legs closely resembles a triskelion of armored arms to the point that we cannot grant a DC between the two.

We decline to rule at this point whether triskelions of any discrete charge conflict with triskelions of any other discrete charges."


8: Iofurr Ormarsson -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2015, via the Middle.

Argent, on a Thor's hammer purpure; Othala, Wunjo, Algiz, Ingwaz in pale argent.

Item was returned on the April 2017 ILoAR per submitter.


9: Katayoun bint Siavash -Resub Name

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Spelling (Spelling of given name "Katayoun") most important.

Previously submitted as "Katayoun al-Aurvataspa" from the Middle Kingdom, returned in 2012.

Katayoun bint Siavash is a Persian name using an Arabic-influenced patronymic construction. The submitter would prefer a Persian word for "daughter" instead of bint if this can be documented.

Katayoun, also transliterated as Katayun, is a Persian literary name. According to Encyclopedia Iranica s.v. Katayoun (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/katayun), characters named Katayun who are daughters of kings appear in multiple Persian medieval epics, including Firdawsi's late tenth or early eleventh century Shah Nama and the eleventh or twelfth century Bahman Nama.

Siavash, also transliterated as Siāvaš, is also a Persian literary name. According to Encyclopedia Iranica s.v. KAYĀNIĀN vi. Siiāuuaršan, Siyāwaxš, Siāvaš (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/kayanian-vi) characters with this name appear in multiple medieval Persian works of literature, including the Shah Nama. A form of this name, Siyavuş, was used in the sixteenth century by an Ottoman vezir (cf. Selcuk Aksin Somel, Historical Dictionary of the Ottoman Empire, https://books.google.com/books?id=jGZQL41tg_oC&pg=PR72&dq=Siyavu%C5%9F#v=onepage&q=Siyavu%C5%9F&f=fa lse).

Using names from Persian history and legend that appear in the Shah Nama was a widespread practice in Persia and Persian-influenced Turkey in our period. For example, al-Khusraw and Manûchihr may be found in Ursula Georges, "Personal Names in Monumental Inscriptions From Persia and Transoxiana" (http://www.yarntheory.net/ursulageorges/names/monument/isms.html), Shîrîn is in Ursula Georges, "Some Persian Feminine Names and Etymologies" (http://www.yarntheory.net/ursulageorges/names/timuridpersian.html), and the Ottoman use of Siyavuş has already been mentioned.

Additional documentation to be included in commentary.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-17/00-43-43_Katayoun_name1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-17/00-43-45_Katayoun_name2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-17/00-43-48_Katayoun_name3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-17/00-43-50_Katayoun_name4.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-17/00-43-52_Katayoun_name5.jpg


10: Kingdom of the Middle -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Azure, two mullets of eight in bend Or.


11: Lette de Cherselawe -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2016, via the Middle.


12: Líadan Liathán -New Name & New Device

Argent, a blackbird singing close proper between three crescents gules.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Desires authenticity for Irish 6th-7th century) most important.

Líadan: Irish Gaelic feminine given name. Academy of St. Gabriel Report 3112 dates the name to the 9th century (c. 875). Dated reports are no-photocopy sources, but it can be found at http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/3112.txt (documentation from submission of "Liadan ingen Finnén" Ansteorra registered February 2016. Note that the St. Gabriel report and other sources show the i-fada [accent acute] in Liadan [Li/adan] and this is preferred by the submitter.)

Liathán: descriptive byname meaning "grey," in this form from Eochu Liathán, the eponymous ancestor of the Ui Liathain kingdom, as documented in the "Geneologies from Rawlinson B. 502) ca 1130 (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G105003/index.html) part 16 (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G105003/text016.html)

If this is not acceptable, submitter will accept alternative form "Liathan" which has no direct traceable meaning but seems to be a variant spelling for "gray", referenced from http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Liathan.shtml to 640 "Aengus Liathan" (Annals of Tigernach [ms c 1350-1400] T642.1)

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100002A/text008.html

"Singing" is documented as a term under the heading "Bird" in Parker's "A Glossary Of Terms Used In Heraldry" https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossb.htm and as a "blackbird singing" under "Blackbird" in Papworth's "Ordinary of British Armorials" for the arms of Ronayne https://archive.org/stream/alphabeticaldict01papw#page/294/mode/2up. It is assumed this is a blazonable artistic detail that does not count for difference.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-28/10-44-36_Liadan_name1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-28/10-44-37_Liadan_name2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-28/10-44-39_Liadan_name3.jpg


13: Odlyn Onesocke -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2014, via the Middle.

Quarterly vert and sable, a polypus argent.

Submitter's Society name is listed as "Oddlin Oddsdottir" on forms; however the name registered on http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/10/14-10lar.html is listed as "Odlyn Onesocke" in OSCAR.

Submitter indicated that this is a resubmission, having been returned April 2017. Ginevra Escutcheon finds no evidence in OSCAR, although notes and previous submission are available from Calybrid Escutcheon in February 2017.

Submitter has provided two emblazons for consideration; she prefers the 4-armed polypus as shown, but will accept the 8-armed version if necessary for registration. The 8-armed versions are attached below.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-16/22-52-56_Polypus_dev_BW2.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-16/22-52-57_Polypus_dev_color2.jpg


14: Odlyn Onesocke -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2014, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) A polypus argent.

Submitter's Society name is listed as "Oddlin Oddsdottir" on forms; however the name registered on http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/10/14-10lar.html is listed as "Odlyn Onesocke" in OSCAR.

Submitter indicated that this is a resubmission. Ginevra Escutcheon finds no evidence in OSCAR, although notes and previous submission are available from Calybrid Escutcheon in February 2017.

Submitter has provided two emblazons for consideration; she prefers the 4-armed polypus as shown, but will accept the 8-armed version if necessary for registration. The 8-armed versions are attached below.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-16/23-05-13_Polypus_badge_BW2.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-16/23-05-14_Polypus_badge_color2.jpg


15: Paulos Dyrrachiou (Παúλος Δυῤῥαχíου) -New Name & New Device

Per fess azure and vert, in pale a spearhead and a crescent Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for early 11th century Byzantine Greek.
Culture (early 11th century Byzantine Greek) most important.
Meaning (Paul of Dyrrhachion) most important.

Dyrrachiou (Δυῤῥαχíου) is the genitive form of the name of the city Dyrrhachion (Δυῤῥαχιον) and the Eastern Roman province of the same name during the 11th century. Kazhdan, Alexander P., The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium (1991), pg. 668.

By-name structure documented in Chavez, Barret, "Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era" available at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/introduction.html (last accessed 4/22/2017).

Paulos (Παúλος) is a Greek Byzantine personal name used in the 11th century. Kazhdan, Alexander P., The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium (1991), pg. 1604.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-29/13-10-57_Paulos_name1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-29/13-10-58_Paulos_name2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-05-29/13-10-59_Paulos_name3.jpg


16: Rosie Dubroc -New Name & New Device

Argent a rose gules barbed and seeded proper within a chaplet of thorns and leaves vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

Rosie is listed as an English feminine given name in FamilySearch Historical Records:

Rosie Moyle, christened 1564, Cornwall, England, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N597-RZY

Rosie Fick, married 1595, Corwall, England, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52N-GW4

Dubroc is listed as a French byname at Geneanet in a very extensive family tree researched, with references, by Claude Jolly:

Francois Dubroc, married November 23, 1587, http://gw.geneanet.org/jolly1?lang=en&pz=erwann+maxime+here+moana&nz=jolly&ocz=0&p=francois&n=dubroc

Edmee Dubroc, baptized September 6, 1588, http://gw.geneanet.org/jolly1?lang=en&pz=erwann+maxime+here+moana&nz=jolly&ocz=0&p=edmee&n=dubroc

It appears that prior to Francois the name was written as du Broc, but from the mid 1500s on, in this family, it was written as one word, Dubroc.

The name Rosie is common throughout the ages in both English and French speaking countries, but Rosie is the English diminutive, not the French; however, mixing of an English given name and a French byname is permitted per SENA Appendix C.


17: Slany bean Uillic -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2015, via the Middle.

Argent, two rats combatant each maintaining a knife gules.


18: Thorsteinn Ulfarson -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for 10th-12th century Danish.
Culture (Will also take First name Thorkell, change last name as needed) most important.

Client wants a Viking/Varangian persona, 10-12th century. First name is most important, surname of secondary importance; Ulfar, added "sson" as form of son-of. I am not sure of the correct spelling for the addition, any changes to surname are acceptable. All documentation was found in archives offered Midrealm hearalds page.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-01/19-38-51_Thorsteinn_name1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=747/2017-06-01/19-38-53_Thorsteinn_name2.jpg


19: Wendell of Dark River -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2015, via the Middle.

Lozengy Or and azure a pale gules, a dragon rampant vert overall.

Previous versions returned on the 12/2015 and 02/2017 LOARs.

02/2017 (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/02/17-02lar.html):

Wendell of Dark River. Device. Gyronny arrondi Or, azure, Or, sable, Or, azure, Or, sable.

This device is returned for conflict with Campbell, Duke of Argyle, Gyronny Or and sable, and Ottar Hrafnsson, Gyronny arrondy Or and azure. For each of these, only one quarter of the field tincture is changed.

This device is also returned for lack of documentation of gyronny arrondi of three tinctures. While the submitter provided several examples of tri-tinctured gyronny fields, no documentation was provided for gyronny arrondi of three tinctures. Absent such documentation, gyronny arrondi of three tinctures is not registerable.

12/2015 (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/12/15-12lar.html):

Wendell of Dark River. Device. Gyronny arrondi of twelve Or, sable, Or, and azure, on a chief argent two boars statant respectant azure.

This device is returned for lack of documentation of the pattern used of a gyronny arrondi of twelve of three different tinctures. No example of the period use of such a field was presented by either the submitter or the commenters. On resubmission, the submitter should provided documentation of such a field and the use of such a field with charges like a peripheral ordinary.


20: Ynes de Jaen -New Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Ynés de Jaen in November of 2011, via the Middle.

Azure, a fess above 3 lotus blossoms afronty argent.



OSCAR counts 6 Names, 1 Branch Name, 14 Devices and 4 Badges. There are a total of 25 items submitted on this letter.

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