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Atlantia LoP dated 2017-06-15

Unto Cian Triton, Beatrice Golden Dolphin, and the Atlantian College of Heralds does Catherine Ibis send warm greetings! This letter contains the submissions received between May 10th and June 10th. Commentary for this letter will close July 10th, 2017.

1: Alexandria Magdalena de Luce -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Meaning most important.

From the SCA Armorial and Ordinary:
"Alexandria Guyon de Champagne" - Name registered in April 2016, via the East Kingdom
"Magdalena Engracia de la Huerta" - Name registered in January 2006 via Atlantia
"Luce" - Surname found attached to Jean I Luce, Blegium, born 1550

Consulting Herald: Rhiannon of Raven's Cove


2: Amira al-Medina -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in September of 2013, via Atlantia.

Old Item: Amira of Raven's Cove, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language most important.
Culture (Middle Eastern) most important.

Amira - current registered given name, retaining.

Changing name due to moving and no longer in Raven's Cove.

Medina:

Using locative naming convention from Appendix A.

The city of Medina was renamed from Yathrib in 622 AD. Medina also refers to the old Arab or non-European quarter of a North African town.

Consulting Herald: Domnall Locard


3: Atlantia, Kingdom of -New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1981, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse argent, finned azure

This submission is to be associated with Standard Augmentation

We, [modern name redacted] and [modern name redacted], known in the SCA as Cuan Macdaige and Signy Heri, King and Queen of Atlantia, would like to designate the following badges designated as Standard Augmentations.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse argent, finned azure

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse contourny Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse erect azure, finned argent


4: Atlantia, Kingdom of -New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1981, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse contourny Or

This submission is to be associated with Standard Augmentation

We, [modern name redacted] and [modern name redacted], known in the SCA as Cuan Macdaige and Signy Heri, King and Queen of Atlantia, would like to designate the following badges designated as Standard Augmentations.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse argent, finned azure

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse contourny Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse erect azure, finned argent


5: Atlantia, Kingdom of -New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1981, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse erect azure, finned argent

This submission is to be associated with Standard Augmentation

We, [modern name redacted] and [modern name redacted], known in the SCA as Cuan Macdaige and Signy Heri, King and Queen of Atlantia, would like to designate the following badges designated as Standard Augmentations.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse argent, finned azure

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse contourny Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse erect azure, finned argent


6: Atlantia, Kingdom of -New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1981, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse Or

This submission is to be associated with Standard Augmentation

We, [modern name redacted] and [modern name redacted], known in the SCA as Cuan Macdaige and Signy Heri, King and Queen of Atlantia, would like to designate the following badges designated as Standard Augmentations.

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse argent, finned azure

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse contourny Or

(Fieldless) A unicornate natural seahorse erect azure, finned argent


7: Bjorn Wulfssons -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Meaning most important.

From the SCA Armorial and Ordinary:
"Bjorn Aaronson" - Registered in December 2011 via Ealdomere
"Athelwulf Wulfsson" - Registered in January 1987 via Ansteorra

Consulting Herald: Rhiannon of Raven's Cove


8: Clara Brauer -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2015, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) on an apple per pale vert and gules, slipped and leaved vert, a pale wavy argent

Consulting Herald: Santiago Xaviar

Badge Submission History:

April 2017 Atlantian Return of "(Fieldless) On an apple per pale vert and gules, slipped and leaved vert, a pale wavy azure"

The badge was returned for redesign because the badge has contrast issues. If the badge was divided equally into three parts and we registered tierced per pall, one the parts would need to have good contrast with the other two parts. As per SENA A.3.B.3.b Elements Otherwise Divided: Elements not already mentioned must have good contrast between their parts. Tierced per pall is not mentioned in the previous sections. This design is effectively a pale on an apple divided per pale, the pale is a color ordinary on a color background. Without period documentation for the color on color, we are unable to send this forward to Laurel for registration.


9: Daniel Müller -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2015, via Atlantia.

Vert two mules combatant and in base a barley sheaf argent

Consulting Herald: Santiago Xavier

February 2017 Laurel Return of "Vert, two mules combatant and a barley sheaf in base, all argent"

This device is returned for redraw, for blurring the distinction between the primary and secondary charge groups. The sheaf has equal visual weight with each of the mules, but the latter cross the fess line while the former does not. When resubmitting, submitter should avoid depicting the charges as co-primary, to avoid conflict with Medb inghen Muiredaich, Vert, three garbs argent (9/2004), with only one DC for changing half of the primary charge group.


10: Domnall Locard -New Name & New Device

Sable a chevron rompu or between two acorns or and a trident head in base or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Domnall:
King Domnall I (a.k.a. Domhnall) 859-862
King Domnall II Dasachtach (a.k.a. Domhnall) 889-900
King Domnall III Bane (a.k.a. Domhnall) 1093-1094; 1094-1097

Locard:
Sir Symon Locard, 2nd of Lee (1300-1371) was a Scottish knight who fought in the Wars of Scottish Independence. He accompanied Sir James Douglas in their curtailed attempt to carry the heart of Robert the Bruce to the Holy Land in 1330.

Consulting Herald: Domnall Locard


11: Ffernfael ap Cymru -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Ffernfael is a modernized form of a period Welsh masculine given name. Examples of this name include Ffernfael ap Tewdwr (lit. "Ffernfael of Tewdwr"), King of Beullt and Gwrtheyrnion, Ffernfael ap Ithel ap Morgan (lit. "Ffernfael of Ithel, of Morgan"), Son of Ithel, who was a late 8th Century king of Gwent, in southeast Wales, and Gwrgafarn ap Ffernfael, King in Gwent circa 750 A.D.

The first reference (which is not a primary reference) would be "A Welsh Classical Dictionary: People in History and Legend up to about A.D. 1000" by P. C. Bartrum, chapt. 5, pgs 299-300 and chapt. 6, pgs 377-378. (html: https://www.llgc.org.uk/discover/digital-gallery/printed-material/a-welsh-classical-dictionary/ )

The primary reference (of which Bartrum uses) is "Liber Landavensis" (lit. "The Book of Llandaff"), believed to have been written between 1120 and 1140, kept in the National Library of Wales (html: https://www.llgc.org.uk/discover/digital-gallery/manuscripts/the-middle-ages/the-book-of-llandaff/ )

Cymru is a modernized form of the Welsh term for Wales, being traced back to (roughly) 500 A.D. and can be translated as "of Wales"/"of the Welsh"/"The Welshman", and is still utilized in modern Welsh language. Thus, the name Ffernfael ap Cymru is literally "Ffernfael of Wales" or "Ffernfael the Welshman". A few sources for "Cymru" include "A History of Wales" by John Davies (secondary source), as well as "Leges Hywel Dda" (lit. "Laws of Hywel Dda") of which a mid-13th Century manuscript is kept in the National Library of Wales (html: https://www.llgc.org.uk/discover/digital-gallery/manuscripts/the-middle-ages/laws-of-hywel-dda/ )

Consulting Herald: Santiago Xavier

November 2015 Atlantian return of "Ffernfael Kymro"

The name was returned for rework, because documentation could not be found to support the submitter's desired spelling of Ffernfael. As per the December 2005 Cover letter, Wikipedia documentation cannot be used as the sole documentation for names. Commenters could not find any other documentation for the spelling of the name, than the Wikipedia documentation provided with the submission.


12: Ismael Baleinier -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister azure a natural whale naiant to dexter base argent and or, a bend sinister sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (IS or ISH-may-l) most important.

FamilySearch P00392-1 & C10966-4 Ismael 1500's England

Baleinier is French for "whaler", occupation. Whaler was an occupation known during that period. Du Pasquier: Les Baleiniers Basque. Vol 31 of Kronos (Paris) SPM 2000. English and French late period can be combined and both accept occupational names.

While not listed in Occupational By-Names in the 1292 Tas Role of Paris by Colin Dubh, that list shows the frequency of use of occupational names and would not be expected to list whaler, as it did not list coastal occupants, but those in Paris.

Consulting Herald: Santiago Xavier

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2017-05-30/18-24-02_Ismael_Baleinier_Name_Documentation1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2017-05-30/18-24-03_Ismael_Baleinier_Name_Documentation2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2017-05-30/18-24-05_Ismael_Baleinier_Name_Documentation3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2017-05-30/18-24-06_Ismael_Baleinier_Name_Documentation4.jpg


13: Iurii Vasilovich -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Iurii: http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/h-j.html

Vasilii: http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/va.html

For both, please also see Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Period Russian Names.

Consulting Herald: Reginald Beauchamp


14: Miri Nader -New Name & New Device

Sable, a flame proper and on a point pointed argent a turtle vert

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Name Miri Ximenez Palacio
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Aug 1581
Christening Place SANTIAGO APOSTOL, FUNES, NAVARRA, SPAIN
Indexing Project (Batch) Number K89551-1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VW6M-396

Name Rafel Pau Nader
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Aug 1553
Christening Place Catedral, Gerona, Gerona, Spain
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C89153-1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFCW-3LS

Consulting Herald: Etienne Sea Stag


15: Nyvein Dyfnawal -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2011, via An Tir.

Azure a sea-cow and on a chief wavy argent three pomegranates gules

Consulting Herald: Santiago Xavier

April 2017 Atlantian Return of "Azure a heraldic beast composed of the front part of a cow and the rear part of a dolphin natural argent and a chief wavy argent"

This device was returned for redraw for a couple reasons. The first reason is the Sea-Bull is in the trian aspect or 3-D looking. Items must be drawn flat with no perspective, the tail behind the creature gives it a 3-D look. Also, the use of trian aspect is limited to those charges which require it for identifiability, or which have been shown to have been depicted in trian aspect in period heraldry, it is not required for this creature. The second reason is the chief needs to be drawn a little wider and the with a few more waves. Moldar, Volk suggested a new emblazon for the submitter, that should meet the requirement for submission. The new emblazon is attached here, the submitter is not required to use it.


16: Prima da Brescia -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atlantia LoI of April 30, 2017 as submitted.

Or a phoenix issuant from flames and a point pointed gules

Consulting Herald: Santiago Xavier

April 2017 Atlantian Return of "Or a phoenix gules rising to dexter issuant from flames and a point gules"

Unfortunately, this was returned for a redraw, as the bird depicted more closely resembles a Russian Firebird than a Phoenix. We cannot blazon the bird as a Russian firebird because as of July 2015 the Russian firebird is no longer registerable without documentation proving it was period charge. As the default position of the phoenix is displayed, we recommend using that position when resubmitting, to increase chances of registerability.


17: Urith verch Earle -New Name Change & New Device Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in May of 2002, via An Tir.

Gules, a pale wavy azure fimbriated argent between two apples and a crane Or

Old Item: Krista Silverlock, to be retained as an alternate name.
Old Item: Gules, three annulets interlaced two and one and on a chief argent three wheels gules, to be retained as a badge.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Meaning ("as daughter of the earl") most important.

Urith: (http://www.oodegr.com/english/brit_celt_orthodoxy/dumnonia_saints.htm) Saint Urith - 8th July

St. Urith lived in the 7th Century. She was born in East Showford, near Barnstaple and converted to Christianity by St. Kea. She lived as a hermit in nearby Chittlehampton, where she founded a church. At the behest of a jealous, and pagan, stepmother some female haymakers killed Urith with a scythe. The moment she fell to the ground and died a spring appeared at that place. She was buried in the church that she founded.

From that moment her shrine became a popular place of pilgramage - Chittlehampton Church owes its tower to the pilgrims' donations. As with so many of the country's other sacred sites, her shrine was removed during the Reformation and veneration of her relics forbidden.

verch meaning "daughter of"

Earle Her father is Sir Kipp Silverlock of Caid. Her current registered name of Krista Silverlock establishes lineage. He sat the throne of June of `83.

Appendix A of name rules provide allowance for patronymic naming convention.

Consulting Herald: Domnall Locard


Yours in Service, Catherine Ibis


OSCAR counts 7 Names, 2 Name Changes, 6 Devices, 1 Device Change, 1 Badge and 4 Badge Associations. There are a total of 21 items submitted on this letter.

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