SCA Laurel Sovereign of Arms
Online System for Commentary and Response

Site News
LoIs
KLoIs
SENA
Prec
AH
Track
Sub Status

Name:

Password:

Create Account

MAIL ME my password.



SEARCH:

[ Site News | LoIs | KLoIs | SENA | Prec | AH | Track | Sub Status ]

Artemisia LoI dated 2017-04-26

Ii-wy em hotep Emma Laurel, Alys Pelican, Brunissende Wreath, and Cormac Incipient Wreath. Ankh, udja, seneb. Ii-wy em hotep members of the College of Arms. Ii-wy em hotep all who read these words from Sneferu Golden Pillar and the Artemisian College of Heralds,

These are the paid items received by Golden Pillar since Artemisia's latest LoI dated 2017-03-27. In all cases where Golden Pillar was the consulting herald Golden Wing made the decision to send the items up. In-kingdom commentary on all these items can be found at https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingloi.php?kingdom=15&loi=4391

1: Agnella Iacopi - New Name & New Device

Per chevron throughout argent and azure, two sewing needles sable and a talbot ermine

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Both names provided from list of acceptable sources via http://heraldry.sca.org/names.html.

Agnella - Italian female name in Italian Renaissance Women's Names by Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale (Jo Lori Drake). http://heraldry.sca.org/names/italian.html

Iacopi - Italian surname in Surnames from a 16th-Century Italian Armorial by Coblaith Muimnech. http://www.coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/IA.html

Consulting herald Chagatai Crystal

Consulting herald Chagatai Crystal


2: Allegrezza la panetera - New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister argent and vert, in pale a horse courant sable and a cauldron Or.

Submitter seeks help from the College in documenting this name

Docs from Maridonna Benvenuti:

DMNES shows Allegrezza dated to 1527 in Rome. http://dmnes.org/cite/Allegrezza/1527/Rome1527

Florios 1598 dictionary s.v. "Panetera, a woman baker or pantler." I am assuming that by the given name the submitter is female so the byname should be "la panetera" if she is wanting "baker".

This name was originaly submitted as Allegretza il Panettiera. It was changed at kingdom with the clients permission to fit the documentation. Full kingdom commentary on this name can be viewed at: https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=73486

Consulting herald Sneferu Golden Pillar


3: Artemisia, Kingdom of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 1998, via Artemisia.

(Fieldless) Upon a sinister glove aversant Or, a rose sable.

To be associated with the Queen's Duellists

Consulting herald Conchobhar Golden Wing


4: Artemisia, Kingdom of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 1998, via Artemisia.

(Fieldless) Upon a sinister glove aversant sable, a rose Or.

To be associated with the Captain of the Queen's Duellists

Consulting herald Conchobhar Golden Wing


5: Biǫrn smidhr - New Name & New Device

Or, a hammer inverted between two bears salient respectant sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Biorn - Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "Viking Names found in Landnámabók" http://wwwellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html counts 42 occurrences of Biọrn.

smiðr is found twice in GB, on p.14 is a given name and on p.28 as a nickname meaning "smith, metal-smith".

Consulting herald Shauna of Carrik Point

Consulting herald Shauna of Carrick Point


6: Cristobal Alvarez - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1998, via Artemisia.

Paly sable and argent, three pumpkins Or slipped vert

The previous iteration of this device Per bend sinister argent and sable, in chief a heart fracted gules and in base three daggers inverted Or was returned by Laurel on the August 1998 LoAR with the following comments:

This conflicts with Elden the True Per bend sinister argent and sable, a Latin cross clechy gules and three swords inverted Or. There is a CD for the change in type from cross to heart. We give no difference between swords and daggers.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1998/08/lar.html

This submission is a complete redesign.

Consulting herald YongHwa

There is an SFPP for the pumpkins, but it is believed to be the only one.


7: Deryck of Annesley - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2016, via Artemisia.

Quarterly Or and azure ermined Or, in bend two boar's heads erased sable

The previous iteration of this device Quarterly Or and azure estencely Or, in bend sinister two boar's heads erased sable was returned by Laurel in Aug 2016 with the following comments:

This device is returned for presumption, for having the appearance of marshalling.

SENA section A6F2c states "When different sections of the field contain different types of charges, it creates the appearance of marshalling."

This is the situation for this submission. We have two of the quarters with a boar's head on an Or field and the two other quarters with Or estencelly on an azure field, giving the appearance of the quartering of these two arms.

We also remind heralds and submitters that appeals should have some sort of justification. The Administrative Handbook clearly states "All appeals should be supported by new documentation, other proof that the original submission was returned in error or compelling evidence that the submission was not properly considered at the time of return."

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/08/16-08lar.html#27

In this iteration estencely has been replaced by ermine. It is hoped that this removes the appearance of marshaling.

This submission was received by kingdom in electronic format.

Consulting herald Sneferu Golden Pillar


8: Ermen die Groot - New Name & New Device

Per bend engrailed Or and azure, a pantheon sable mulletty argent and a seahorse argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Ermen - Duth feminine given name found in "Vlaamse Vrouwennamen en Hollandse Naamgeving in de Middeleeuwen" by O. Leys and J. van der Schaar, Appendix iii, compiled 15/12/2000 https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/guntram/vlaamse.htm

die Groot - Dutch descriptive byname meaning "large, tall, or big", found in "15th Century Dutch Names - Surnames," by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sarah L. Uclelman), copyright 2004-2005 http://heraldry.sca.org/names/dutch/dutch15surnames.html

Consulting herald Johanne die Waeyer

Consulting herald Johanne die Waeyer


9: Ilea Fraser - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Scottish, Family connection) most important.
Culture (Scottish, Family connection) most important.
Meaning (Scottish, Family connection) most important.

For my first name, Ilea, I am claiming the "legal name allowance" (redacted DL in packet).

For the Surname Fraser this web link proves its relative to the era needed. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK6R-28W

Golden Pillar notes that this documents the surname Fraser as recorded in the marriage of Robert Fraser and Anne Orchard on 03 Dec 1628 in Desford, Leicester, England. IGI batch # M03696-2.


10: Joel De Grace - New Name & New Device

Per pale embattled argent and purpure, a sinister hand and a lance fracted counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.

From form:

First name is modern given name. Joel is documentable to bible.

Last name requested has no period documentation and does not fall within period naming conventions. Name is important to SCA family household and that of my knight. Any assistance in documentation would be greatly appreciated.

From Golden Pillar:

Joel - Given name recorded in the record of Joel Reinart and Damit Tique on 11 Jan 1630 in Evangelisch, Vorweiden, Rheinland, Prussia. IGI batch M98925-1. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JH7X-7PG

De Grace - Byname recorded in the record of Henricus Rega De Grace and Gertruidis De Haes on 13 Aug 1645 in Sankt Aldegundis Katholisch, Emmerich, Rheinland, Prussia. IGI batch M97281-1. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHZL-BPV

The byname listed on the form is De'Grace, which differs from the documented form De Grace. The submitter has seen and approved of this change in an email dated 1 Jan 2017.

Consulting herald Chagatai Crystal

Consulting herald Chagatai Crystal

Due to concerns that the lance might not be identifiable as drawn this device was redrawn at kingdom with the submitters permission. The original drawings are attached as is the emblazon the new lance outline was taken from.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=994/2017-04-25/16-15-00_Joel_De_Grace_-_device_outline_redacted.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=994/2017-04-25/16-15-00_Joel_De_Grace_-_device_color_redacted.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=994/2017-04-25/16-15-01_005-069-3.jpg


11: Marguerite fileresse de saie - New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2008, via Artemisia.

Per bend sinister Or and argent, a bend sinister azure, between a magpie proper and a three flax blossoms azure seeded Or.

Old Item: Azure, a fess wavy and in chief a rapier surmounted by two needles in saltire argent, to be retained as a badge.

This device was redrawn at kingdom with the clients permission. The original images are attached.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=994/2017-04-25/18-29-26_Marguerite_Fileresse_de_Saie_-_device_outline_redacted.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=994/2017-04-25/18-29-27_Marguerite_Fileresse_de_Saie_-_device_color_redacted.jpg


12: Otto Harðbein - New Name & New Device

Per pale azure and argent, two wolves salient addorsed counterchanged.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 11 Century Scandenavian language/culture.

Otto: https://archive.org/details/sagaofkingolaftr00olafiala p. 81, refers to Otto the great, Otto the Red, and Otto the Young. Specifically the year 983. Otto the Young tried to convert all the Danes to Christianity.

Harðbein comes from the Laxdale Saga. In chapter 53, we find the year 1007, and in chapter 54 we find Harðbein and Harðbeinsson both. http://www.sagadb.org/laxdaela_saga.en

Additioanl docs from ffride wlffsdotter:

Lind col. 825 sn. Ótto has examples of the name from later diplomataria, but nothing as early as what the submitter wants.

(With luck the link will work for you! https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1. $ b468094?urlappend=%3Bseq=429)

Lind Personbinamn col. 135-6 has:

Harðiaxl "hard-molar"

Harðkiǫptr "hard-jaw"

Harðmagi "hard-stomach"

If we assume that can be extended to other body parts, then "Harðbeinn" could be possible!

The potential conflict Per pale azure and argent, two wolves combatant counterchanged (Fáelán hua Meic Laisre July 2007 via An Tir) was noted at kingdom. However the first sentence of SENA A5E5 states (emphasis added):

A new submission which substantially changes the postures or orientations of each of the primary charges from a piece of protected armory does not conflict with it, when the posture of the individual charges are comparable.
Since the orientation of both charges is reversed Golden Pillar considers there to be an SC between these two devices.


13: Refr Bjarnarson - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in July of 2012, via Artemisia.

Old Item: Lochlainn Lost, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.

Refr is a male given name found at p. 14 of Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name.

refr is a descriptive byname meaning "fox" found at p. 26 of Geirr Bassi.

Found on OSCAR previously passed

Bjarnarson - Geirr bassi, p. 18, gives the patronym of Bjorn as Bjarnarson

Found on OSCAR previously passed

Consulting herald YongHwa

Summary of docs from ffride wlffsdotter:

Refr, male given name, Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name, p. 14.

Bjǫrn, male given name, Geirr Bassi, p. 8.

Geirr Bassi on p. 18 says the expected patronymic form of Bjǫrn is Bjarnar, hence Bjarnarson.


14: Turi MacCarthy - New Name & New Device

Per bend vert and purpure, an acorn bendwise argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Spelling most important.

<Honora Mac-Carthy> christened 1640, London, England. Batch no. P00160-1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5WF-HJS

<John Tury> christened 1629, Lincoln, England. Batch no. C03381-1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQR1-LZ1

The September 2012 LoAR cover letter says:

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.html

"In general, family names documented in sixteenth century England may be used to create given names, even if they are of Scottish or Gaelic origin."

and

The December 2014 LoAR sn. Riane Goch.

"...i/y switches are common in English..."

Consulting herald Conchobhar Golden Wing

The client prefers the submitted spelling Turi but will accept Tury if necessary for registration.

Consulting herald Conchobhar Golden Wing


Thanks be to all those who contributed to these submissions at Kingdom including but not limited to Maridonna Benvenuti, Michael Gerard Curtememoire, Razumnik Zhiroslavich, ffride wlffsdotter, Iago ab Adam, Coblaith Muimnech, and Aonghus il Ulfr.

Senebty,

Sneferu sa Djedi mewetif Merit
Golden Pillar Herald
Kingdom of Artemisia

Standard disclaimer: So far as I know, this letter accurately reflects the contents of the various submission forms and accompanying documents, including consent to changes, expressed preferences, requests for authenticity, and formation of holding names.


OSCAR counts 8 New Names, 1 New Name Change, 7 New Devices, 1 New Device Change and 2 New Badges. These 19 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $76 for them. OSCAR counts 2 Resub Devices. These 2 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 21 items submitted on this letter.

[ Site News | LoIs | KLoIs | SENA | Prec | AH | Track | Sub Status ]


Site Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, Lewis Tanzos