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An Tir KLOI from Tir Righ dated 2017-03-22

Greetings unto Black Lion, Lions Blood and the College of Heralds.

Please find herein this month's submissions for Tir Righ.

Commentary on this letter closes on April 22, 2017.

1: Antonio Romeo Maria di Francesco da San Giminano -New Name & New Device

Per pale argent and counter-ermine, a bordure gules.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

All male names (Antonio, Romeo, Francesco) are located within the online Tratte of Office Holders of Florence database (http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte), to period or prior.

"Maria" is a saint's name (Mary, tr. Italian).

San Giminano is a walled Tuscan town dating from 939 http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/550.

The form included the comment: "If required, the client indicates that the Romeo may be moved to become a secondary patronymic, in accordance with the naming conventions for Italian called for in SENA - a treble given name is possible in late period, and 1450-1480 may be too early for this. To refresh, the format in SENA is a single, double, or treble given name (with, in this case, a saint's name for the third), followed by a patronymic, followed by a locative. If this name is not possible, the alternate requested is Antonio Maria di Francisco di Romeo da San Giminano."

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-22/00-15-23_Antonio_name_0001.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-22/00-15-25_Antonio_name_0002.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-22/00-15-26_Antonio_name_0003.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-22/00-15-28_Antonio_name_0004.jpg


2: Bryn Mor Raven -New Name & New Device

Argent, a raven striking to sinister sable within a bordure engrailed gules.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

From the Dec 2015 LoAR - for Bryn Mor Grey:

"Submitted as Brynmor Grey, the given name Brynmor ("large hill") could not be documented or constructed as a plausible given name in our period. The submitter allowed a change to Bryn Mor, where Bryn and Mor are an English given name and surname, respectively, in the FamilySearch Historical Records. We have made this change."

FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWFB-CYH) Bryn Owyn, christened 20 May 1582; Norfolk, England, C04741-1

FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N264-587), William Hoke and Agnis Mor, married 19 Nov 1564; Hampshire, England, M150056-1

FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJBT-V4H) John Raven and Margaret Bren, married 01 Dec 1560; Cambridge, England, M13064-1.


3: Edwina de Herst -New Name & New Device

Azure, a pantheon rampant argent mullety purpure, a dexter gore Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Edwina - Withycombe - Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names - pg 90. A modern f Name formed from Edwin... Edwin - Old English ... Name of the first Christian King of Northumberland.

de Herst - Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames - pg 229 - Thomas de Herst 1066 DB(Sx)


4: Eleanor Odlowe -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2012, via An Tir.

(Fieldless) On a purse Or, a talbot's head erased sable.


5: GIOVANNA De SOLLARIO -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

GIOVANNA - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2468+0

GIOVANNA - ONLINE CATASTO OF 1427 - https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/

de Sollario - http://www.coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/SO.html

(Note from Red Flame: I am attempting to contact the submitter to get permission to change the name from all capitals.)

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-21/22-12-30_Giovanna_name_0001.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-21/22-12-32_Giovanna_name_0002.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-21/22-12-33_Giovanna_name_0003.jpg


6: Giuliana da Castiglione -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the An Tir LoI of December 31, 2016 as submitted.

Per pale argent and purpure, a panther rampant guardant counter changed incensed proper, bordure counter-changed.


7: Ieuan Gower -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2006, via An Tir.

(Fieldless) 3 feathers banded by a crown Or.

The submitter is a Duke (An Tir 2014) and thus entitled to use a crown.


8: Marcus of Thornwold -New Name & New Device

Vert, an inverted pile Or masoned sable, between an elephant rampant dexter and an owl close gaurdant argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 14c German.
Sound most important.

MARCUS: Medieval German Given Names from Silesia by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm) lists "Marcus 7: 1369, 1378, 1392, 1397, c.1400, 1426, 1558-64"

THORNWOLD, Shire of (SCA), Registered to Laurel Feb 1981


9: Sibán ingen Cianán -New Name & New Device

Argent, a pair of barnacles vert within an orle wavy azure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.
Sound (sound of patronym) most important.
Language (13th century Irish) most important.
Culture (13th century Irish) most important.
Spelling (spelling of first name) most important.

ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 3386

http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?3386+0

This report was generated in answer to the submitter's query regarding creating a period-appropriate patronym. The attached printout only includes the relevant sections of the report.

The Annals of Connacht notes a woman named <Siban> who died in 1310. We can't be certain how old she was at the time of her death, but it's likely was born in the mid to late 13th C. [1] <Siba/n> represents one Gaelic borrowing of names such as <Joan> or <Jehanne>, which was very popular among the Anglo-Normans. We have evidence that Gaels were adopting some Anglo-Norman names for their daughters during your period, including <Sisuile> (1201-1250) and <Lucia>, <Alis>, <Cristina>, and <Iuliana> (1250-1300). [2] ...

We also wanted to mention that if you are interested in the actual name <Keenan>, this name occurs in the same period as <Siba/n> as <Ciana/n> at least as early as we can support <Siba/n>. [7, 8] The patronymic form of this name would be <ingen Ciana/n>.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2017-03-21/23-56-19_Siban_name_0001.jpg


10: UlfR bloðfotr Falgeirsson -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2016, via An Tir.

Argent, a beaver couchant regardant dexter foreleg raised proper and on a bordure vert an orle of chain Or.

The submitter is a knight of An Tir (Jan 26, 2002) and thus entitled to the orle of chain.

The submitter's previous submission "Argent, a beaver gelding itself proper and on a bordure vert an orle of chain Or" appeared on the An Tir LoI dated 2016-01-31 and was returned by Laurel on the April LoAR:

This device is returned for running afoul of SENA A2C1 which states: "Elements must be drawn in their period forms and in a period armorial style.(...) Postures other than defined heraldic postures are not allowed." Although there are period depictions of "a beaver gelding itself" in manuscripts, there is no heraldic depiction of such. From one manuscript to another, beavers don't adopt the same posture to perform this action. Thus, lacking heraldic information, or a consensus in art, we cannot define a standard heraldic posture for self-gelding. Since this posture is not blazonable in usual heraldic terms, we are unable to register it. Additionally, as depicted, the head of the beaver is completely on its body and identifiability is lost, which is also grounds for return.

The question of whether this device was offensive was raised during commentary. We decline to rule on the potential offensiveness at this point. The submitter should be prepared to address this issue, should he resubmit with this motif, with documentation of the posture used.


11: William Werner -New Name & New Device

Argent, on a chief gules three triangles inverted Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

Willliam - http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/oldbury.html - Masculine give name - William 2-17-1568

Werner - http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/surnamesnurnn-z.html - German Names from Nürnberg, 1497: Surnames N - Z by Sara L. Uckelman - Werner 3/2/1


12: Wymarcha haketanah -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2015, via An Tir.

Argent goutty des larmes, a swan rousant contourny gules, a chief wavy azure.

Note from Red Flame: Shown on the submission form as Wymarcha Haktanah, the registered name is actually "Wymarcha haketanah".

The previous submission "Argent goutty des larmes, a swan rousant contourny gules, chief and base wavy azure" appeared on the An Tir KLOI (via Tir Righ) dated 2015-04-20 and was returned by kingdom by precedent due to potential confusion as to whether the main charge was a fess, or whether it had a matching chief and base.

The submitter has removed the base to eliminate this confusion.


In service for the love of heraldry,

Alicia Red Flame


OSCAR counts 7 Names, 9 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 18 items submitted on this letter.

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