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Atlantia LoI dated 2017-02-28

Unto Andrewe Laurel, Alys Pellicane, Brunissende Couronne, Cormac Wreath-elect, and the rest of the College of Arms, does Seraphina Delphino, Golden Dolphin Herald, send Greetings.

It is the intent of the Atlantian College of Heralds to register the following items. Unless otherwise noted, the submitter has no desire for authenticity and allows any changes.

In-kingdom commentary on the following items can be found on the January LoP. https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingloi.php?kingdom=9&loi=4308

I would also like to thank the following individuals for the commentary last month. Their commentary helps make my job much easier. Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (Metron Ariston), Daniel the Broc, Deirdre O'Bardon (Northern March), Dietrich von Sachsen, ffride wlffsdotter, Juetta Copin, Maridonna Benvenuti, and Shannon inghaen Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín.

This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

1: Æsa gylðir - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2014, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) An arrrow argent, overall a hart courant azure attired argent

Badge Submission History:
September 2016 Atlantian Return of ""(Fieldless) a hart courant azure"

This device was returned for conflict with the Barony of Andelcrags' badge, (Fieldless) A hart courant azure. The two badges are exactly the same with only a DC for both badges being fieldless.


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

2: Alexios Chrysoloras - New Name & New Device

Purple, a cross between a Chi Rho in dexter chief and a Russian Orthodox cross in sinister base Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Byzantine) most important.
Culture (Byzantine) most important.

Alexios: is found in "Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era - Masculine Given Names" http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/masc_given_names.html. Alexios is a masculine given name date 11th century

Chrysoloras: is found in "Names of 14th-15th C. Thessalonian Lesser Aristocrats" by Maridonna Benvenuti https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/thessalonian.html Chrysoloras is a surname documented to 1421 as Thomas Chrysoloras.

Additional docs for Chrysoloras is 'Griechischer Biographischer Index' / Greek Biographical Index, p 234 Thomas Chrysoloras c. 1421. See image. https://books.google.com/books?id=wkRWn11xsiQC&pg=RA1-PR7&lpg=RA1-PR7&dq=Griechischer+Biographischer +Index&source=bl&ots=DA8oE4fUWZ&sig=tPsfMWw6qaVq2m_sgQQDqoANrBw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi80vLTgNnRAhU CqVQKHSjXBcE4ChDoAQgZMAA#v=onepage&q=Chrysoloras&f=false

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=821/2017-02-27/22-23-36_Alexios_Chrysoloras_Name001.jpg


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

3: Cairistiona de Coueran - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2001, via Atlantia.

Per fess embattled Or and gules, an antelope rampant contourny Or

(Golden Dolphin Note: Golden Dolphin is attempting to get Atlantia to grant permission to conflict for this badge. Potential conflict is Award of the Arielle "(Fieldless) An antelope rampant contourny Or")


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

4: Caterina Artemisia Corleone - New Name & New Device

Argent, a vol purpure within an orle of raspberry vine vert fructed gules and flowered argent

Meaning (Surname: Lionheart) most important.

Name Submission History
June 2016 Atlantian Return of "Catarina Leon Corazon"
Name withdrawn by the submitter

Caterina: is found in "Late Period Italian Women's Names: Florence" by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith)http://medievalscotland.org/jes/Nuns/Florence.shtml Caterina is feminine given name.

Artemisia: is found in "Names from 15th and 16th Century Pisa" By Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) http://heraldry.sca.org/kwhss/2014/Juliana_de_Luna/Names_from_15th_and_16th_Century_Pisa.pdf" Artemisia has one instance dated to 1541

Corleone: is found in Della Nobile et generosa progenie del P. S. Domenico in Italia, book 2; By Giovanni Michele Pio, 1615. https://books.google.com/books?id=VE69wWV6K6kC&pg=PA71&dq=corleone#v=onepage&q=corleone&f=false

Dizionario di toponomastica. Storia e significato dei nomi geografici italiani'. (Dictionary of place names. History and meaning of the Italian geographical names.) UTET Libreria, p269, s.n. Corleone. Cittadina site in una conca pittoresca cinta da caratteristici bastioni e torrioni rocciosi; fu fortezza normanna, ripopolata da Federico II con una colonia di "Longbardi" nel 1237. A translation: The small town is in a picturesque valley with characteristic rocky ramparts and towers; it was Norman fortress, repopulated by Frederick II with a colony of Longobards [from Lombardy] in 1237.

Appendix A allows for Double Given names in Italian

Correction to Name (2017-Mar-08 10:03:54): The submitter emailed me and stated they would prefer the surname Corazon de Leon, if it can be documented.

Correction to Name (2017-Apr-05 16:04:43): Submitter contacted me and stated she would like Artemisia Caterina instead of Caterina Artemisia.

Device Submission History:
June 2016 Atlantian Return of "Argent, within an orle of raspberry slipped argent, leaved vert and fructed gules, a vol purpure"
Device withdrawn by the Submitter


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

5: Dorothea Manuela Ponçe - Resub Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2003, via Atlantia.

Per bend sinister Or and vert, a gilly-flower gules slipped and leaved vert and a tower Or

Old Item: Per pale sable and vert, on an artist's palette Or marked of various tinctures two paintbrushes in saltire sable, to be released.

Device Submissions History
January 2016 Laurel Return of "Per bend sinister Or and vert, a lily gules stemmed vert and a tower Or"
This device was returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Blazoned as a lily, commenters had trouble identifying the flower as such.
Additionally, this device must be returned for having the flower depicted in trian aspect. Per SENA A2C1:

Elements must be drawn in their period forms and in a period armorial style. In general, this means that charges should be drawn as a flat depiction with no perspective.

The use of trian aspect is limited to those charges which require it for identifiability, or which have been shown to have been depicted in trian aspect in period heraldry. A lily does not need to be depicted in trian aspect to be identifiable.


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

6: Konrad Godes - New Name

Language (Germanic) most important.
Culture (Germanic) most important.

Konrad: is found in Family Search Historical Records
Konrad Brogli married on 25 September, 1594, at Degernau, Baden, Germany (Batch #: M957481) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J489-ZPV
Konrad Weltin married on 24 October, 1596, at Degernau, Baden, Germany (Batch #: M957481) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J489-874
Konrad Freyler christened on 5 May, 1594, at Basel in Switzerland (Batch #: C739856)https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FV8J-DY1

Godes: is found in Family Search Historical Records
Isobell Godes married on 9 July, 1638, at South Leith in the Midlothian (Batch #: M195044)https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYS9-LS7

Scots is in the English/Welsh regional naming group and this may make the late period German given name "borrowable" from German under the following precedent noted in the cover letter to the LoAR for February, 2015:

"Therefore, we will not add the English-German lingual mix to Appendix C of SENA. However, we will allow the borrowing of given names from German into English and vice versa, in the context of the 16th and early 17th centuries. An English given name that is borrowed from German is considered to be English under Appendix C, and a German given name that is borrowed from English is considered to be German."

Metron Ariston found no clarifying precedent to indicate whether this allowance is limited to elements actually from English rather than from the other languages included in the English/Welsh naming group such as Welsh or Scots. However, most previous precedents along these lines since the current standards were adopted have used the regional naming group as the dividing line rather than a particular linguistic subgroup within the regional naming group.


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

7: Rúnfríðr Hofmansdóttir - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2015, via Atlantia.

Azure, a raven argent within a bordure Or

Badge Submission History
July 2016 Atlantian Return of "Azure, a raven argent"

This badge was returned for conflict with a badge registered to Rannveigr Haakonardottir in November of 1979 (via the East) and added household designation in December of 1983 (via the East): Azure, a falcon counter-close argent. There is 1 DC for changing the orientation of the Raven, there is no DC for a raven vs falcon as they are both considered regular shape birds.

Consulting Herald: Sigrid Briansdotter


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

8: Takeda Aya - New Name

No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Aya: is found in the NCMJ by Solveig Throndardothr, page 243, sub Paint Colours lists Aya as a female name dated to c. 1600.

Takeda: is found in the NCMJ by Solveig Throndardothr, page 257, Surname element kamakura period (1332) added meaning "rice paddy"

Japanese Name Construction: Surname + Given Name


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

9: Vlfbeorn Ælfweardes sunu - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2016, via Atlantia.

Per pall inverted azure, argent and gules, in chief a mullet of eight points argent and a Celtic cross gules


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

10: Xavier Corleone - New Name & New Device

Argent, on a Latin cross flory azure a lion's head cabossed Or, a bordure embattled azure

Name Submission History
June 2016 Atlantian Return of "Xavier Leon Corazon "
Name withdrawn by the submitter

Xavier: is found in Family Search Historical Records
Xavier, married on 24 Feb 1596 in Palafrugell, Gerona, Spain, Batch #M89313-6

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFNN-R4X
Xavier Francesch Abdon Garau, Christening Date: 20 Feb 1633, SANTA MARIA, VILERT, GERONA, SPAIN, Batch Number: C85080-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5RD-8Z4

Corleone: is found in Della Nobile et generosa progenie del P. S. Domenico in Italia, book 2; By Giovanni Michele Pio, 1615. https://books.google.com/books?id=VE69wWV6K6kC&pg=PA71&dq=corleone#v=onepage&q=corleone&f=false

Dizionario di toponomastica. Storia e significato dei nomi geografici italiani'. (Dictionary of place names. History and meaning of the Italian geographical names.) UTET Libreria, p269, s.n. Corleone. Cittadina site in una conca pittoresca cinta da caratteristici bastioni e torrioni rocciosi; fu fortezza normanna, ripopolata da Federico II con una colonia di "Longbardi" nel 1237. A translation: The small town is in a picturesque valley with characteristic rocky ramparts and towers; it was Norman fortress, repopulated by Frederick II with a colony of Longobards [from Lombardy] in 1237.

According to Appendix C Spanish and Italian can be mixed. According to Appendix A Italian allows for unmarked patronymics

(Golden Dolphin Note: The name was submitted as Xaver Corleone, but the submitter emailed Golden Dolphin, to say that he prefers the given name Xavier. Kingdom has made this change.)

Correction to Name (2017-Mar-08 10:03:02): The submitter emailed me and said they would prefer the surname Corazon de Leon, if it can be documented.

Device Submission History
June 2016 Atlantian Return of "Argent, a Latin cross flory azure surmounted by a lion's head cabossed Or, a bordure embattled azure"
Device withdrawn by the Submitter


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

11: Xavier Corleone - New Household Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Casa de li Corleone

Casa & Name Structure: 'Names from an Early 16th C Census of Rome: Household Names' Sara L. Uckelman (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/leohousehold.html)

Corleone: is found in Della Nobile et generosa progenie del P. S. Domenico in Italia, book 2; By Giovanni Michele Pio, 1615. https://books.google.com/books?id=VE69wWV6K6kC&pg=PA71&dq=corleone#v=onepage&q=corleone&f=false

Dizionario di toponomastica. Storia e significato dei nomi geografici italiani'. (Dictionary of place names. History and meaning of the Italian geographical names.) UTET Libreria, p269, s.n. Corleone. Cittadina site in una conca pittoresca cinta da caratteristici bastioni e torrioni rocciosi; fu fortezza normanna, ripopolata da Federico II con una colonia di "Longbardi" nel 1237. A translation: The small town is in a picturesque valley with characteristic rocky ramparts and towers; it was Norman fortress, repopulated by Frederick II with a colony of Longobards [from Lombardy] in 1237.

(Golden Dolphin Note: Household name submitted as Casa Corleone, name changed by kingdom because the documentation supports Casa de li Corleone. Submitter has approved the change via email however would prefer Casa Corleone. Also the Casa Corleone may be obtrusively modern, as Corleone is the name of the family from the Godfather Movies.)


This item was on the 05-2017 LoAR

12: Yenega Velasconi de Santurtzi - New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2010, via Atlantia.

Purpure, a wolf sejant ululant and in chief two increscents argent

Old Item: Per pale azure and purpure, a chevron between three hawk's heads erased argent, to be released.

There is a Step from Period Practice for use of a wolf ululant.

(Golden Dolphin Note: Commenters expressed concern that due to the size of the crescents, they look like the could be considered co-primary with the wolf. We are forwarding this to college for discussion on if the crescents are secondary or the blur the line between primary and secondary.)


In Service to the Dream,

Seraphina, Golden Dolphin


OSCAR counts 5 New Names, 1 New Household Name, 4 New Devices, 1 New Device Change and 3 New Badges. These 14 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $56 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device Change. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 15 items submitted on this letter.

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