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Calontir LoI dated 2017-01-02

Buenas días to the Society Sovereigns of Arms, and the esteemed Laurel staff from Shandra Saker.

Herein is our Letter of Intent for consideration, based upon the commentary of many esteemed heralds from around the Known World. The Calontir College of Heralds requests the registration of the following items:

This item was on the 04-2017 LoAR

1: Amlethsmor, Shire of - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in December of 2004, via Calontir.

Old Item: Amlesmore, Shire of, to be released.
No major changes.
Spelling (none given) most important.

A Group Petition for Registration signed by officers and populace was included with the packet.

As there is more documentation than can be uploaded into OSCAR, the documents referenced below are compiled here:


The name is Danish/Old Norse. Amleth is semi-mythical character that appears in Saxo Grammaticus' Gesta Danorum (History of the Danes) in Latin as Amlethus. on 02/12/2015 (in Latin copy of portion included) (English translation copy of corresponding portion included)

It also appears in Danmarks gamle Personnavne. Vol. 1, Part 1. Gunnar Knudsen, Marius Kristensen, Rikard Hornby København 1941-1948. under the heading Amlothi (copy included)

At the time Gesta Danorum was written Old Norse was still being spoken. Old Norse was spoken until 1300, and Saxo Grammaticus, author of the Gesta Danorum died in 1220. It would therefore seem that the name Amleth which could be derived by dropping the Latin formative suffix -us is Old Norse, and not Danish. This is important as it would show any place name that is created from the name Amleth would have to be fully in Old Norse for there to be consistency, and follow Old Norse place name patterns, and not the later Danish language.

The formation of Amlethus would seem to be the simple addition of the Latin formative suffix -us to a non-Latin name.

Under entry for Hamlett in "Surnames of the United Kingdom: A Concise Etymological Dictionary" Henry Harrison, The Eaton Press, 1912.(copy included).

There is also the village of Ammelhede, Denmark thought to have been named for Amleth. Saxo Grammaticus and the Life of Hamlet: A Translation, History, and Commentary page 145 and page 146, William Hansen, University of Nebraska Press, 1983 (copy included)

In Old Norse place names could be formed from personal names. The names usually took the genitive form of the name in the place name. Some examples are: Arnlaugsfjorðr "Arnlaug's fjord," Áshildarmýrr "Áshild's bog." Bárðardalr "Bárð's dale," Bjarnardalr "Bjorn's dale." (copy of portion included)

Place names in Old Norse could also be formed from the names of mythical beings. Some examples are: Frøslunda "Frey's Grove" and Torseke "Thor's oak-grove" in Sweden. Torstad "Thor's place" in Norway. "Myths of the Pagan North" pages 60 and 61, Christopher Abram, Bloomsbury Academic, 2011 (copy included)


Mór is Old Norse for moor. See "A Concise Dicitonary of Old Icelandic" by Geir T. Zoëga and "An Icelandic-English Dictionary" by Richard Cleasby and Gudbrand Vigfusson

Place names in Old Norse were formed from common words for geographic features such as moor and it is said in the Cleasby-Vigfusson dictionary under the heading for Mór "freq. in local names." Some examples of geographic features in place names are: Arnarhváll "Orn's Hill" or "Eagle's Hil," Arnlaugsfjorðr "Arnlaug's fjord," Áshildarmýrr "Áshild's bog." all show that place names in Old Norse can be formed in part from the words for common geographical features. Retrieved from (copy of portion included)

For evidence of the use of the word mór in place names, in England in Yorkshire, a part of the former Danelaw, Carlesmoor seems to have derived from Karl an Old Norse personal name + Old Norse mór "moor" Mills page 67 s.n. Carlesmoor.


The branch originally wanted to be named for Amleth MacAuleth, first seneschal of the neighboring Shire of Standing Stones who was very influential in bringing the SCA to Central Missouri. It is therefore desired that the name Amleth be preserved in some way or form in the branch name. However, the name Amleth Moor when first submitted was returned, and the name Amlesmore taken. The name Amleth Moor was again submitted for reconsideration in 2011 and returned for not establishing a Danish personal name could be combined with the English or Scots word moor to form a place name. It is hoped by using Old Norse Mor that we have resolved the problem of combining two different languages. Finally, the personal name Amleth has been put in the genitive form for correct place name construction as seen from the examples.

Text from the 11/2011 return for the previous Request for Reconsideration:

Amleth Moor, Shire of. Name reconsideration from Amlesmore, Shire of.

Submitted as Shire of Amleth Moor, the element Amleth is the Anglicized form of the name of a legendary Danish prince (the basis of the Hamlet story). However, no evidence was presented that a very early Danish name can be combined with English or Scots Moor. Additionally, no evidence was presented that this was a plausible literary name in any location that Moor was in use. However, we have some leads that may give them the basis of a name they would prefer to their currently registered one.

Gunnvor silfraharr was able to find evidence of a 13th century Scots given name Ameleth (which has no etymological relationship to the Danish Amleth or to the English Hamlet). A byname could be created from that. In England, a placename surname Moor would fit within documented pattern. It is not clear if such a pattern is plausible in Scots. If such evidence could be found, then this could be registered as Ameleth Moor. But barring that evidence, this name cannot be registered.

Alternately, the English surname Hamlett (derived from a diminutive of the name Hamo and dated to 1568 in R&W s.n. Hamo(n)) could be used to create a placename Hamlett Moor. But the submitters allow no changes (and we understand that this would not meet their desires).

Finally, they might pursue other translations/retellings of the Hamlet story. In the 16th century French Histoires Tragiques, the name of the prince appears as Amleth. We note that this text was not translated to English until 1608, which makes it impossible to justify an English given name from that literary source. However, it might allow the argument that a late period French placename might be derived from such a name. However, a pattern for the creation of 16th century French placenames would have to be demonstrated.

This item was on the 04-2017 LoAR

2: Amon Attwood - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2014, via Calontir.

(Fieldless) A lightning bolt bendwise Or surmounted by a plate

This item was on the 04-2017 LoAR

3: Caitilín inghean Uí Lochlainn - Resub Name & New Device

Argent, a chevron vert between two increscents and an owl, a bordure sable

Previously submitted as Caitilín inghean Uí Alasdrainn which was returned on the 6-2016 LoAR:

The clan affiliation byname inghean Uí Alasdrainn is constructed as a feminine form of Ó hAlasdrainn. However, Ó-style bynames were typically created by the 11th century in Ireland. In this case, the first instances of the given name Alastrann are found in the 15th century, used by men from Scotland. Therefore, the use of an earlier Irish pattern with a late period given name from Scotland is not likely when Alastrann came into use. Thus, we do not allow the construction of new O-style bynames from elements which came into use after that time. Without evidence showing that this byname is plausible, we cannot register this name.

Upon resubmission, the submitter may wish to know that the names Caitilín inghean Alasdrainn and Caitilín inghean mhic Alasdrainn are registerable because bnames using mac continued to be created through the end of our period.

Caitlín - found ten times from years 1411-1592 in the "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan -

inghean Uí - The starndard form of using an Irish clan affiliation byname for women according to "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" by Sharon L. Krossa -

Lochlainn - a genitive of a name found eleven times from the years 983 - 1486 in the "index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan -

This item was on the 04-2017 LoAR

4: Darius Delphin - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2016, via Calontir.

Azure, a pall vairy en pointe Or and purpure overall a dragon displayed maintaining in each hind foot a mullet argent

Returned on the 6/2016 LoAR, we believe this redraw corrects the issues for the return: Device. Azure, a pall vairy en pointe Or and purpure, overall a dragon displayed maintaining in each hind foot a mullet argent.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Commenters had difficulty in determining the exact line of division used on the pall. The maintained mullets were also unidentifiable because of the overlap with the dragon's feet and the shading of the mullets.

This device is also returned for having a "barely overall" charge. SENA Appendix I, Charge Group Theory, in defining overall charges states "An overall charge must overlie a primary charge (...)An overall charge must have a significant portion on the field; a design with a charge that has only a little bit sticking over the edges of an underlying charge is known as "barely overall" and is not registerable." Here, most of the dragon lies on the pall.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a dragon displayed.

This item was on the 04-2017 LoAR

5: Hobbe Robbins - New Name

Meaning (Diminutive of Robert) most important.

Hobbe is in Reaney & Wilson (p. 233 s.n. Hob), which dates the form Hobb(e) to 1198 as a given name. Black p. 360 s.n. Hob says "Hob" and "Hobbie" were common on the Border as diminutives of Robert, and dates the spelling Hobbe to 1237. He also notes that "Edward I in an angry letter. (Nat. MSS., II, p.xiiii) calls Bruce 'King Hobbe'."

Robbins - Thomas Robbins - Burial 14 Feb 1600 batch: B03579-4

Additional documentation from Maridonna Benvenuti during internal commentary: Hobbe - Bardsley's "A Dictionary Of English And Welsh Surnames", s.n. King. Referring to the King of Misrule, "In the manor of Ashton-under-Lyne (1423) we find 'Hobbe the King,' and a festival to be held there is under the supervision of Margaret, widow of Hobbe the King, Hobbe Adamson, Jenkin of the Wood,' &c..."

This item was on the 04-2017 LoAR

6: Sorcha O'Riain - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A dragon's head palewise contourny couped vert breathing flames proper

Thank you very much for your kind attention.

Mil gracias,

~Shandra Saker

OSCAR counts 1 New Name, 1 New Name Change, 1 New Device and 2 New Badges. These 5 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $20 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Name and 1 Resub Device. These 2 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 7 items submitted on this letter.

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