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An Tir LoI dated 2016-12-31

Unto the Sovereigns and College of Arms from Rhieinwylydd Lions Blood, greetings. It is the request of the An Tir College of Heralds that the following items be considered for registration. Items processed by the Tir Righ College are so marked.

1: An Tir, Kingdom of - New Transfer of Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1981, via the West.

Honor of the Belated Barberry

We, [redacted] and [redacted], known in the SCA as Kjartan Daegarson and Sha'ya Kjartanskona, King and Queen of An Tir, do transfer to the Principality of the Summits the award name "Honor of the Belated Barberry." We understand that this transfer cannot be withdrawn once made.

Letter is signed with TRM's legal names and dated 29 Oct 2016.


2: Geneviève Choue - New Name & New Device

Ermine, an owl sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (French origin) most important.
Culture (French origin) most important.

Geneviève can be found as a given name with one occurrence in An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Lord Colm Dubh at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paris.html. (Ary's article, cited below, also includes Genevieve - no accent - 16 occurrences with this spelling.)

Choue is found as a byname in DRAFT: Names in the 1292 census of Paris by Sara L. Uckelman at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/1292paris.pdf. There is one occurrence of the name, p. 162, section 'Bynames Not Yet Categorized.' It's unclear if the name needs to change based on the gender of the personal name.

The submitter has received permission to conflict from Teffania Tuckerton, sent via email:

I [legal name redacted] known in the SCA as Teffania de Tuckerton give [legal name redacted] known in the SCA as Geneviève Choue, permission for their armory "Ermine, an owl sable" to look similar but not identical to my armory "Ermine, an owl purpure."

I understand that this permission cannot be withdrawn once their armory has been registered.

Date: 13/10/16

Veracity of the email has been attested by Crux Australis, Principal Herald of Lochac.


3: Gerhard Emelrich - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2013, via An Tir.

Sable, a double-headed eagle fesswise checky argent and gules

Some kingdom commenters found this difficult to identify; others had no issue. Larger checks might aid identifiability, although as seen in the images below, the drawing is reasonably in line with period exemplars.

Some commenters expected this would not be a period design; however, Black Lion provided several images from period rolls of eagles displayed fesswise and eagles checky.

Image 1 - Tirol, Wappenbuch, BSB Cod 310 (S Germany, late 15c-1540) - image 132

Image 2 - Bertschi, Wappenbuch besonders deutscher Geschlechter, BSB Cod 308 (Augsburg 1515-1650), image 229

Image 3 - Brechtel, Wappenbuch des Heiligen Römischen Reiches, BSB Cod 390 (Nürnberg, 1554-1568) - image 170

Image 4 - Wappenbuch, BSB Cod 392d (S Germany, 1500-1550) - image 338

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=708/2017-01-01/15-02-36_gerhard_badge_0002.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=708/2017-01-01/15-02-38_gerhard_badge_0003.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=708/2017-01-01/15-02-39_gerhard_badge_0004.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=708/2017-01-01/15-02-41_gerhard_badge_0005.jpg


4: Giuliana da Castiglione - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (15th Century Italian) most important.

Tir Righ Submission

Giuliana is found in "Italian Renaissance Women's Names" by Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale (Jo Lori Drake) http://heraldry.sca.org/names/italian.html which contains a list of Italian feminine names from Florence in the 14th and 15th centuries.

"Locative bynames are the second most common. They take two forms: the first are formed by da followed by the placename" (from "Names from Sixteenth Century Venice by Juliana de Luna https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html).

Castiglione is a locative and found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castiglione_della_Pescaia which is often abbreviated as Castiglione. There are records of its use as a family name in period as both a marked and unmarked locative. The submitter would prefer the marked locative.

da Castiglione is found in the 1560 title "Ricordi di monsignor Sabba da Castiglione caualier Gierosolimitano..." A translation: Memoires of monsignor Sabba from Castilglione, Jerusalem knight. See image. https://books.google.ca/books?id=fqIJKm5LLDkC&pg=RA3-PT5&dq=Castiglione&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=one page&q=Castiglione&f=false

Baldassare Castiglione (1478-1529) was the author of The Book of the Courtier (1528). Britannica.com https://www.britannica.com/biography/Baldassare-Castiglione

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=558/2016-12-22/21-11-03_Giuliana_name0001.jpg


5: Giuseppe Ferraro - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2016, via An Tir.

Per saltire sable and gules, on a mullet of eight points argent, a rose gules

Previous submission (identical blazon) was returned on the 04-2016 LoAR:

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Most commenters were unable to identify the tertiary charge as a rose of any sort in part due to the modern stenciled depiction used."

Kingdom believes the submitter has adequately addressed the reason for return.


6: Jakemina Arwemakeres - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning (unspecified) most important.

Tir Righ Submission

Jakemina - Family search: Jakemina Rombouts 14 Sept 1593 Amsterdam MO1224-6 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FND5-K21). The mix of Dutch and English is allowed by SENA Appendix A. Jakemina is also found dated to 1321 in "Feminine given names in A dictionary of English surnames" http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html

Arwemakere is found in Fransson's "Middle English Surnames of Occupation" sn Aruenemakere as Ric. le Aruwemakiere dated to 1305. Specific spelling of "Arwe" may be found in RW sn Arrowsmith, dated to 1324 as "Arwesmyth". Also this spelling of Arrow (Arwe) can be found in the Middle English Dictionary http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=med2390 with dates including 1325, 1398, 1425 and 1450. The spelling makere can also be found in the Middle English Dictionary s.n. makere which lists Rob. Barremakere (1347) from Thuresson ME Occup.Terms, and s.n patin-māker(e which dates Willelmo Patynmakere to 1381-2.

The pattern of a vocational byname + 's' can be found in several late period names in the IGI database:

Martyn Coopers, Male, Buried 19 Jan 1578, St. Botolph Aldgate, London, England, Batch B02101-4 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRXV-8NG

Robte Fletchers, Male, Christened 19 Dec 1593, SAINT MARY,STOCKPORT,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND, Batch C00943-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM5N-FZ3

Richard Bowyers, Male, Christened 26 Mar 1628, Horkstow, Lincoln, England, Batch C02927-3 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N68X-CLJ

Isabell Carpenters, Female, Christened 1568, West Harnham, Wiltshire, England, Batch C15477-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2ZF-SQM

Margarett Weavers, Female, Married 12 Nov 1590, Saint Gregory, Norwich, Norfolk, England, Batch M04803-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2HV-QYL

If the byname cannot be registered with the terminal 's', the submitter will accept Arwemakere.

Correction to Name (2017-Jan-31 16:01:42): NOTE: This submission has been WITHDRAWN by the submitter.


7: Katherine Elene de Vere - New Name & New Device

Quarterly argent and gules, in bend two fleurs-de-lys sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Tir Righ Submission

Katherine is found in "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" by Talan Gwynek http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html sn Katharine OFr Caterine, Cateline. Cat-in is a dim. of Cat, a hyp. of Catherine, as is Catel. [Catlin, Katerin, Cattel, Katin] includes the spelling Katherine dated to 1316 Curzon; 1325 xl; 1392 Bathurst; 1510 Wenborn; 1516 Chipperfield; 1597 Elesender

Elene is also found in the same article (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyAG.html) sn Ellen < HELEN < Gk `Elenê, fem. of `Elenos `the bright one'. [Ellen, Ellett] with the spelling Elene dated to 1529 (W)

de Vere is found in English Names found in Brass Enscriptions by Julian Goodwyn (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/lastnameAH.html) dated to 1598

The previous submission for "Katherine de Vere" was on the An Tir KLOI from Tir Righ dated 2016-07-28 and returned in kingdom for conflict with "Kateryn de Ver". Adding a name element clears this conflict.

Double given names are allowed for late period English names as per SENA Appendix A.

The following letter was included:

Greetings unto you, heralds of Tir Righ, An Tir & Laurel Sovereign,

I, <legal name>, known in the SCA as Elene De Vere, give <legal name>, known in the SCA as Katherine Elene De Vere, permission for my Society name to be used in part of her Society name in order to indicate a relationship. I understand that this permission cannot be withdrawn once <legal name>'s name is registered.

It is signed with Elene's legal signature.

The name Elene de Vere is currently in submission on the An Tir LoI dated 2016-08-31.

The gules sections without charges avoid the appearance of marshalling as per SENA A.6.F.3.a "Plain Sections Without Charges: When each section of the design appears to be an independent coat of arms, it creates the unmistakable appearance of marshalling. A section of the design does not appear to be an independent coat of arms if it is a plain tincture, including a fur, which we do not protect as arms."


8: Samwell Langdon - New Name & New Device

Sable, three hunting horns argent

Both name elements from IGI Parish Records:

Samwell Whyght, male, christened Jan 1568, Essex, England, Batch P00827-1 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N53R-RZ3

James Langdon, male, married Apr 1567, Cornwall, England, Batch M02252-2 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVRP-GJT

Kingdom commenters suspected this would be clear of Móirín Chiardhubh ní Bhárdáin (registered Jan 1997 via Caid): Per chevron sable and vert, three spiral hunting horns reversed argent; DC for field, and probable DC for spiral vs 'standard' hunting horns.


9: Summits, Principality of the - New Acceptance of Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 1999, via An Tir.

Honor of the Belated Barberry

We, [redacted] and [redacted], known in the SCA as Sverre Bjornhjarta and Breaca Flannabhra, Prince and Princess of The Summits, do accept from the Kingdom of An Tir the award name "Honor of the Belated Barberry." We understand that this transfer cannot be withdrawn once made.

Letter is signed with Their Highnesses' legal names and dated 29 Oct 2016.


10: Violante da Rosa de Braga - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2016, via An Tir.

Per chevron sable and argent, three owls affronty counterchanged ermine and countermine.

Previous submission returned on the 07-2016 LoAR -

Violante da Rosa de Braga. Device. Per chevron gules and sable, an owl affronty argent and a bordure ermine.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Margarethe Bogenschützin: Per bend sinister sable and purpure, an owl argent within a bordure ermine. There is a DC for the field but nothing more. Owls have a blobby body and their faces are always gardant, regardless of body posture. Thus, per precedent, we grant no difference between an owl in its default posture and an owl affronty:

There is no difference between an owl close and an owl affronty by the LoAR of 8/92 p.26. [Karl Teransson av Drakkar, LoAR of Dec 1998]

This is likewise a conflict, and must be returned.

Overall, Kingdom commenters found the ermine spots on the small side but identifiable enough for registration.


11: William Arwemakere - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2013, via An Tir.

Or, two arrows in pale gules.

Tir Righ Submission


Ever in Service,

Rhieinwylydd


OSCAR counts 5 New Names, 3 New Devices and 2 New Badges. These 10 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $40 for them. OSCAR counts 2 Resub Devices. These 2 items are not chargeable. There is 1 transfer, which does not require payment. There is 1 acceptance of transfer, which does not require payment. There are a total of 14 items submitted on this letter.

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