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Calontir ILoI dated 2016-11-30


To Saito Takauji, Gold Falcon and the esteemed members of the College of Heralds comes this missive from Shandra, Saker. We seek your wise counsel on the following submissions, to prepare them for registration:

1: Amlethsmor, Shire of -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in December of 2004, via Calontir.

Old Item: Amlesmore, Shire of, to be released.
No major changes.
Spelling (none given) most important.

A Group Petition for Registration signed by officers and populace was included with the packet.

As there is more documentation than can be uploaded into OSCAR, the documents referenced below are compiled here:


The name is Danish/Old Norse. Amleth is semi-mythical character that appears in Saxo Grammaticus' Gesta Danorum (History of the Danes) in Latin as Amlethus. on 02/12/2015 (in Latin copy of portion included) (English translation copy of corresponding portion included)

It also appears in Danmarks gamle Personnavne. Vol. 1, Part 1. Gunnar Knudsen, Marius Kristensen, Rikard Hornby København 1941-1948. under the heading Amlothi (copy included)

At the time Gesta Danorum was written Old Norse was still being spoken. Old Norse was spoken until 1300, and Saxo Grammaticus, author of the Gesta Danorum died in 1220. It would therefore seem that the name Amleth which could be derived by dropping the Latin formative suffix -us is Old Norse, and not Danish. This is important as it would show any place name that is created from the name Amleth would have to be fully in Old Norse for there to be consistency, and follow Old Norse place name patterns, and not the later Danish language.

The formation of Amlethus would seem to be the simple addition of the Latin formative suffix -us to a non-Latin name.

Under entry for Hamlett in "Surnames of the United Kingdom: A Concise Etymological Dictionary" Henry Harrison, The Eaton Press, 1912.(copy included).

There is also the village of Ammelhede, Denmark thought to have been named for Amleth. Saxo Grammaticus and the Life of Hamlet: A Translation, History, and Commentary page 145 and page 146, William Hansen, University of Nebraska Press, 1983 (copy included)

In Old Norse place names could be formed from personal names. The names usually took the genitive form of the name in the place name. Some examples are: Arnlaugsfjorðr "Arnlaug's fjord," Áshildarmýrr "Áshild's bog." Bárðardalr "Bárð's dale," Bjarnardalr "Bjorn's dale." (copy of portion included)

Place names in Old Norse could also be formed from the names of mythical beings. Some examples are: Frøslunda "Frey's Grove" and Torseke "Thor's oak-grove" in Sweden. Torstad "Thor's place" in Norway. "Myths of the Pagan North" pages 60 and 61, Christopher Abram, Bloomsbury Academic, 2011 (copy included)


Mór is Old Norse for moor. See "A Concise Dicitonary of Old Icelandic" by Geir T. Zoëga and "An Icelandic-English Dictionary" by Richard Cleasby and Gudbrand Vigfusson

Place names in Old Norse were formed from common words for geographic features such as moor and it is said in the Cleasby-Vigfusson dictionary under the heading for Mór "freq. in local names." Some examples of geographic features in place names are: Arnarhváll "Orn's Hill" or "Eagle's Hil," Arnlaugsfjorðr "Arnlaug's fjord," Áshildarmýrr "Áshild's bog." all show that place names in Old Norse can be formed in part from the words for common geographical features. Retrieved from (copy of portion included)

For evidence of the use of the word mór in place names, in England in Yorkshire, a part of the former Danelaw, Carlesmoor seems to have derived from Karl an Old Norse personal name + Old Norse mór "moor" Mills page 67 s.n. Carlesmoor.

Note: The branch originally wanted to be named for Amleth MacAuleth, first seneschal of the neighboring Shire of Standing Stones who was very influential in bringing the SCA to Central Missouri. It is therefore desired that the name Amleth be preserved in some way or form in the branch name. However, the name Amleth Moor when first submitted was returned, and the name Amlesmore taken. The name Amleth Moor was again submitted for reconsideration in 2011 and returned for not establishing a Danish personal name could be combined with the English or Scots word moor to form a place name. It is hoped by using Old Norse Mor that we have resolved the problem of combining two different languages. Finally, the personal name Amleth has been put in the genitive form for correct place name construction as seen from the examples.

2: Amon Attwood -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2014, via Calontir.

(Fieldless) A lighening bolt bendwise Or, overall a plate

3: Caitlín inghean Uí Lochlainn -Resub Name & New Device

Argent, a chevron vert between two increscents and an owl, a bordure sable

Previously submitted as Caitilín inghean Uí Alasdrainn which was returned on the 6-2016 LoAR:

The clan affiliation byname inghean Uí Alasdrainn is constructed as a feminine form of Ó hAlasdrainn. However, Ó-style bynames were typically created by the 11th century in Ireland. In this case, the first instances of the given name Alastrann are found in the 15th century, used by men from Scotland. Therefore, the use of an earlier Irish pattern with a late period given name from Scotland is not likely when Alastrann came into use. Thus, we do not allow the construction of new O-style bynames from elements which came into use after that time. Without evidence showing that this byname is plausible, we cannot register this name.

Upon resubmission, the submitter may wish to know that the names Caitilín inghean Alasdrainn and Caitilín inghean mhic Alasdrainn are registerable because bnames using mac continued to be created through the end of our period.

Caitlín - found ten times from years 1411-1592 in the "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan -

inghean Uí - The starndard form of using an Irish clan affiliation byname for women according to "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" by Sharon L. Krossa -

Lochlainn - a genitive of a name found eleven times from teh years 983 - 1486 in the "index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan -

Correction to Name (2016-Dec-02 11:12:53): Correct spelling of given name is Caitilín.

4: Darius Delphin -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2016, via Calontir.

Azure, a pall vairy en pointe Or and purpure overall a dragon displayed maintaining in each hind foot a mullet argent

5: Dýrfinna Grímsdóttir -New Name & New Device

Argent, semy of pheons inverted gules, a pall sable overall a serpent vorant of its tail purpure

No major changes.
Language (Norse) most important.

Viking Names Found in the Landnámabók - Aryanhwy merch Catmael,

Dýrfinna - 2 or fewer instances

Grímr - 32 instances

from Geir Bassi Grímr -r -> -s Grímsdóttir pg 17

Correction to Name (2016-Dec-06 12:12:17): This name has been withdrawn. Please comment normally on the device, as it will not be put into holding until after commentary on this letter is completed.

6: Hobbe Robbins -New Name

Meaning (Diminutive of Robert) most important.

Hobbe is in Reaney & Wilson (p. 233 s.n. Hob), which dates the form Hobb(e) to 1198 as a given name. Black p. 360 s.n. Hob says "Hob" and "Hobbie" were common on the BOrder as diminutives of Robert, and dates the spelling Hobbe to 1237. He also notes that "Edward I in an angry letter. (Nat. MSS., II, p.xiiii) calls Bruce 'King Hobbe'."

Robbins - Thomas Robbins - Burial 14 Feb 1600 batch: B03579-4

7: Sorcha O'Riain -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A dragon head palewise couped vert breathing flames proper

Commentary is due by 23 December 2016 either in OSCAR or via email to <>. Thank you in advance for your assistance!

Mil gracias,

~Shandra Saker

OSCAR counts 3 Names, 1 Name Change, 3 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 9 items submitted on this letter.

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