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East LoI dated 2014-03-27

From Joscelin Blue Tyger, Alys Eastern Crown, and the heralds of the East, greetings to the Sovereigns of Arms and the College of Heralds!

This is possibly the shortest Eastern letter I've ever worked on or possibly seen. Enjoy the break!

This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

1: Agapios Cargos - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2013, via the East

Gules, two snakes knowed in an inverted Heneage knot argent fretted with two swords inverted in saltire Or, the hilts winged argent

Many commenters were skeptical about the registerability of this arrangement, as well as whether the charges are sufficiently identifiable. Although we are also somewhat skeptical, we believe this device would benefit from more commentary from the wider community of heralds, so we are forwarding it for Wreath's consideration.


This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

2: Briana Douglase - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2011, via the East

Per pale and per chevron indented argent and azure, in chief two doves rising wings displayed respectant within a bordure counterchanged


This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

3: Christoffel d'Allaines-le-Comte - New Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Christoffel d'Allaines-le-Comte in June of 2003, via the East.

Azure semy of ears of wheat, on a pale Or a sword azure

In Kingdom commentary, Gunnvor Orle provided examples of period armory with individual wheat ears as charges, which are attached.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-34-20_16-14-42_21-10-19_Wheat-Ears.jpg


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4: Christoffel d'Allaines-le-Comte - New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Christoffel d'Allaines-le-Comte in June of 2003, via the East.

Azure, in saltire an ear of wheat and a sword Or

In Kingdom commentary, Gunnvor Orle provided examples of period armory using individual ears of wheat as charges, which are attached.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-34-38_16-14-42_21-10-19_Wheat-Ears.jpg


This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

5: Geoffrey Hart - New Name & New Device

Vert, a sea-stag Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (unspecified) most important.

Geoffrey is an English male given name found in "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html).

Hart is an English surname dated to 1599 in Bardsley p. 362 s.n. Harte

This a very nice late period English name. In fact, ffride Goutte d'Eau found a Geoffrey Hart in the Family Search Historical Records as the father of a child christened 24 March 1638, in England. Batch no. P00589-1 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMKK-LSM)

The sea-stag is erect, which is the default for sea-monsters, so it was properly omitted from the blazon. This device appears to be clear of the armory of Yseult de la Nogent (7/84, Middle): Vert, a sea-goat erect Or between in chief two roses argent, seeded Or. There is one DC for the roses as secondary charges. Logically, there would be a second DC between a sea-stag and a sea-goat because there is a substantial difference between a goat and a stag. However, there is an old precedent that suggests a sea-goat and a sea-stag might conflict. [Seumas Moray, December 1989, R-Trimaris]. Given the age of this precedent, and given the changes in thinking about conflicts in the last 25 years, we are opting to forward this for further discussion.


This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

6: Geoffrey Hart - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A sea-stag Or

The sea-stag is erect, which is the default for sea-monsters, so it was properly omitted from the blazon. This device appears to be clear of the armory of Yseult de la Nogent (7/84, Middle): Vert, a sea-goat erect Or between in chief two roses argent, seeded Or. There is one DC for fieldlessness and a second DC for removing the secondary roses.


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7: Isabella d'Allaines-le-Comte - Resub Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Isabella d'Allaines-le-Comte in June of 2003, via the East.

Vert, a cauldron issuant from a flame and on a chief Or two ladles in saltire vert

The submitter's original device submission, Vert, three seeblatter Or, was returned on the June 2003 LoAR for a conflict with the badge of Annabella of Lochwinnoch (1/03, Atlantia): Purpure, three hearts Or.

This is a complete redesign. The cauldron issuant from flame is based on the following period examples:

Image #1: Sammlung von Wappen aus Verschiedenen, Besonders Deutschen Ländern. (Collection of Arms from Various Countries, Especially Germany - BSB Cod.Icon. 307 [S.L.] Germany in 1600). http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/Blatt_bsb00020245%2C00419.html

Image #2: Insignia Lucensium, Senensium, Pisanorum, Pistoianorum, Volterranorum, Aretinorum, Cortonensium, Borgo a S. Sepolcro (BSB Cod.Icon. 278 [S.L.] Italian 1550-1555) http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001425/images/index.html?seite=327

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=449/2014-03-27/21-21-11_14-52-30_cauldron1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=449/2014-03-27/21-21-11_14-52-30_cauldron2.jpg


This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

8: Kai Wulfbalt - New Name & New Device

Quarterly sable and Or, on a bend argent between two wolves rampant contourny five paw prints palewise sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound ('wolf' or 'wulf' as part of the byname) most important.
Spelling (Kai) most important.

Kai is an English male given name. It is found in R&W s.n. Kay as Britius filius Kay dated to 1199. The spelling Kai, potentially referring to King Arthur's foster brother and knight, is found in the Middle English Dictionary s.n. him-self dated to c. 1275.

Wulfbalt is an English byname appearing in R&W s.n. Wolbold. The submitted spelling is dated to 1179; the related spelling Wulbald is dated to 1275.

The use of paw prints is a Step From Period Practice under Appendix G of SENA.


This item was on the 06-2014 LoAR

9: Katherine de Staverton - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2006, via the East

(Fieldless) A bearded and bird-beaked man's head couped argent wearing a Jewish hat Or.

This submission is to be associated with Judith bas Rabbi Mendel

The alternate name Judith bas Rabbi Mendel was registered to this submitter in February 2011 (via the East).

The badge is patterned after the so-called Bird's Head Haggadah, a medieval Jewish manuscript showing people with bird heads and Jewish hats (http://www.medievalists.net/2012/04/03/birds-head-haggadah-scholar-gives-new-insights-into-jewish-me dieval-text/).

According to A History of Jewish Costume by Alfred Rubens, the distinctive Jewish hat or Judenhut was a key feature of medieval Jewish costume. The first illustrations of the hat are found in the Stavondale Bible (c. 1097). The Jewish hat was proudly displayed in Jewish manuscripts and imagery, and was not considered a mark of degradation. It appears on Jewish seals, including a 13th cen. seal for the Augsburg Jewish community.

Jewish Life in the Middle Ages: Illuminated Hebrew Manuscripts of the 13th to 16th Centuries by Therese and Mendel Metzger at p. 145 shows the use of three Jewish hats in a German coat of arms from c. 1300.

With the release of the new electronic Pictoral Dictionary, we find that this is not the defining instance of a Jewish hat.

There was some debate about the proper way to blazon the bird-beaked head. Originally blazoned "(Fieldless) A bearded bird's head couped argent wearing a Jewish hat Or," we considered several options, before opting for (Fieldless) A bearded and bird-beaked man's head couped argent wearing a Jewish hat Or.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-49-59_hat1.JPG
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-49-59_hat2.JPG
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-49-59_hat3.JPG
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-49-59_hat4.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=950/2014-03-27/20-49-59_hat5.jpg


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10: Kenneth the Red - New Name & New Device

Gules, three lions sejant affronty Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (Kenneth the Red) most important.
Meaning (red-haired or some variant) most important.

Kenneth is a male given name found in the Family Search Historical Records for Scotland:

Kenneth Logie; Male; Christening; 19 Nov 1609; EDINBURGH PARISH, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND; Batch: C11685-4

the Red is the Lingua Anglica form of the attested bynames le Rede and le Red, both found in R&W s.n. Read dated to 1220 and 1332 respectively.

The submitter's device appears to be clear of the armory of Catrin von Berlin (11/02, Outlands): Gules, three bat-winged cats sejant affronty wings displayed and a chief Or. The addition of wings to creatures generally is worth a DC. There is a second DC for the addition of the chief.


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11: Matilda Wynter - New Name & New Device

Ermine, a chevron cotised gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (unspecified) most important.

Matilda is a female given name dated to 1189-1215 in Withycombe s.n. Matilda.

Wynter is byname dated to 1379 in Bardsley p. 819 s.n. Winter.

This device is clear of the armory of James of Wiverneweald (9/97, Caid): Ermine, a chevron between three estoiles gules, with DCs for the number and type of secondary charges.


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12: Matilda Wynter - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) In pale an owl argent sustaining three holly leaves conjoined in pall fructed proper


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13: Olaf Olafsson of Dragonship Haven - New Name & New Device

Or, a tree eradicated and on a chief vert three stags salient Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Olaf is a male given name found in Academy of St. Gabriel Report 2896 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2896+0) as a Norwegian name dated to 1480-1530.

Appendix A of SENA states that, for later period Scandinavian names, patronymics are formed by using the genitive form of the father's name plus -son. Olafsson appears to be the correct construction.

of Dragonship Haven uses the name of a registered SCA branch pursuant to SENA PN.1.B.2.f. Dragonship Haven, Shire of was registered in August of 1979 (via the East), and was updated to Dragonship Haven, Barony of in March of 1985 (via the East).

Originally submitted as Olaf Olafsson, the conflict with Olaf Olafson, registered April 1986 via Caid, was identified during data entry. Eastern Crown had a conversation with the submitter about his options. He opted to add of Dragonship Haven to clear the conflict.

ffride Goutte d'Eau noted that men named Olaf Olafsson appear in the Diplomatarium Norvegicum, dated to 1399 (http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=1691&s=n&str=Olaf%20Olafsson), 1412 (http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=9064&s=n&str=Olaf%20Olafsson), and 1433 (http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=5239&s=n&str=Olaf%20Olafsson).


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14: Yehuda ben Moshe - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2013, via the East

Per bend sinister sable and argent, a spur rowel Or and two smith's hammers in saltire proper.

This identical badge was returned on the 6 January 2013 Eastern LoD, with the following explanation:

This badge must be returned for violating SENA A.3.D.2.c Unity of Posture and Orientation, which states: "The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. " The spur rowel and the hammers are part of the same charge group, yet the hammers must be blazoned individually from the rowel because they are in saltire.

Since that decision was rendered, precedent has clarified this section of SENA. The June 2013 Cover Letter ruled that two charges in saltire should be deemed one compact charge for unity of posture purposes only. Thus, this badge should now be registerable.

The badge should be clear of the armory of Stella da Lodi (9/13, Atlantia): Per bend sinister sable and argent, a mullet Or and a nettle leaf vert, with DCs for the tincture and type of half of the primary charge group.



OSCAR counts 5 New Names, 8 New Devices and 5 New Badges. These 18 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $54 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 19 items submitted on this letter.

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