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East LoI dated 2012-09-27

To Gabriel Laurel, Juliana Pelican, Emma Wreath and the Heralds of the Knowne Worlde, from from Asa in Svarta, Blue Tyger Herald and Alys Mackyntoich, Eastern Crown herald, greetings and every good thing.

The Eastern College herewith submits for approval and registration the following items, with our thanks.

When commenting, please keep in mind the continuing issues with the Eastern College's scanners, which tend to render greens as teals. If a submission is not colored with green Crayola or Rose Art markers, we will mention it.

Thank you to the following commenters: Abdullah ibn Harun, Alana O'Keeve, Andreas von Meißen, Aritê gunê Akasa, Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Brunissende Dragonette, Eldrich Gaiman, Eleazar ha-Levi, Gawain of Miskbridge, Gunnvor silfraharr, Jeanne Marie Lacroix, Joscelin le esqurel, Juetta Copin, Lillia de Vaux, Magnus von Lübeck, Maridonna Benvenuti, Marie de Blois, Modar Neznanich, Oddr mjoksiglandi, Rohese de Dinan, Tanczos Istvan, Taran The Wayward and Yehuda ben Moshe.

This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

1: Aildreda de Tamworthe - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2006, via the East

Per chevron argent and azure, three estoiles counterchanged

The identical device was returned on the July 2006 LoAR for conflict with Enid of Crickhollow's device, Per chevron argent and azure, two mullets of six greater and six lesser points and a swan naiant counterchanged, with a single CD for changes to the primary charges. Under the RfS, there was a significant, but not substantial (X.2), difference between mullets of six greater and six lesser points and estoiles.

Enid of Crickhollow has filed a blanket letter of permission to conflict which appears on the 6/30/2012 Ansteorra LoI (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=23601). The letter grants permission for armory that is one countable step away from Enid's, which Aildreda's is.

Kingdom commenters identified a possible conflict with Larisa Mikhailovna (April 2008, Atlantia): Per chevron argent and azure, two estoiles of eight rays azure and issuant from base a phoenix argent rising from flames Or. There is one DC under SENA A.5.G.4 for changing the type of the bottom estoile. There is no clear precedent about whether the phoenix in Larisa's armory being "issuant from base" constitutes a second DC for a change of posture/orientation or arrangement under SENA. Eastern Crown therefore opted to send the device up for further discussion of the issue.

In addition, Eastern Crown has contacted the Atlantian heralds in attempt to obtain permission to conflict from Larisa, should such permission be necessary.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

2: Brocciardus da Monte - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2006, via the East

Azure, a chevron sable fimbriated and in base a Latinate cross flory argent charged with a Latinate cross pointed sable

This device appeared on the East's 6-02-2012 ILoI, but its disposition was pended due to faulty paperwork. The paperwork issues have now been corrected.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

3: Caer Adamant, Shire of - Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 1991, via the East

Azure, a pale vert fimbriated Or

The identical badge was previously submitted and returned on the April 2010 LoAR for conflict with Cherie des Jardins, Azure, on a pale Or three crescents azure, and with the flag of Barbados, Azure, on a pale Or a trident head sable. With the changed treatment of tertiary charges under S.E.N.A., these conflicts no longer exist.

Kingdom commenters suggested a possible visual conflict with the device of Katherine of Glastonbury (July 2006, Drachenwald): Vert, two pallets Or. Technically, these two pieces of armory are clear. There is one DC for the tincture of the field under SENA A.5.G.1.a and a second DC for the number of charges (one pale vs. two pallets) under SENA A.5.G.5. The possibility of a visual conflict is a question for Wreath.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

4: Ernst Nuss von Kitzingen - New Heraldic Title

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via the East

Coach Herald

The submitter's registered name, Ernst Nuss von Kitzengen, is the subject of a name correction request on the East's July 2012 LoI (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=24026). I have been instructed by Istvan that the proper procedure is to enter the changed name, not the existing name.

The submitter was created a Herald Extraordinary by the Brigantia Principal Herald of the East and the Crown of the East on June 30, 2012.

This heraldic title follows the pattern [surname] + [title] found in S.E.N.A. NPN1.C.2.e. Coach is an English surname found in the IGI Parish Records (extracts):

John Coach Male Marriage 14 Jan 1609 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London ,England Batch: M022431

Marye Coach Female Christening 08 Sep 1605 Landrake, Cornwall, England Batch: C052841

Rychard Coach Male Christening 31 Dec 1626 Thurmaston, Leicester, England Batch: P011291

This title potentially conflicts with Conch Herald, registered to the Kingdom of Atlantia in July 1982, and with Conch, Order of the, registered to the Kingdom of Atlantia in December 2001. Permission to conflict has been communicated by e-mail from the King, Queen and Seneschal of Atlantia, should it be necessary. The final paperwork will be posted when completed.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

5: Evan Hardrada - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 1993, via the East

Per pale gules and argent, a drakkar counterchanged and in chief two ravens argent and sable

In Kingdom commentary, it was noted that we conflict check charged sails as if they were independent armory pursuant to the October 2007 Cover Letter. If that rule applies to multi-colored uncharged sails, then the present armory may conflict with Malta (Dec. 1994, Laurel), Per pale argent and gules. There is no precedent on whether multi-colored uncharged sails must be conflict-checked as independent armory.

However, there have been multiple registrations of multi-colored sails over the years, the most recent of which was in January 2009, at which time neither the LoAR nor the comments in OSCAR raised any questions of conflict-checking the sail. Given the lack of any authority requiring us to conflict check a multi-colored uncharged sail as independent armory, Eastern Crown elected to forward this device.

Since "close" is the default posture for ravens, Eastern Crown deleted that term from the original blazon.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

6: Hans Herkomer - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2012, via the East

Per bend sinister azure and sable, three mullets and a horse rampant argent

The submitter's original device submission was returned on the October 2, 2011 East Kingdom LoD for conflict with Sasha Vladimir Obolénskij (06/1991, West)Per bend sinister azure and sable, a mullet of four points bendwise, elongated to dexter chief argent. Under the RfS, there was one CD for changing the number of primary charges.

This device is being resubmitted under S.E.N.A. A.5.E.3, which provides "Change of Number of the Primary Charge Group: A new submission which substantially changes the number of charges in the primary charge group from a protected piece of armory does not conflict with it." Since Sasha's armory has a single primary charge and the submitted armory has four primary charges, it appears to be clear of conflict.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

7: Jean Oste de Murat - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for French, late 15th century.

Jean appears as a masculine given name in "Names from Choisy, France, 1475-1478" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/choisy.html).

Oste appears as a byname dated to 1588 in "Flemish Names from Bruges" by Luana de Grood (http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/bruges/byname-list3.html).

Jean Oste appears as a full name dated to c. 1345-46 at p. 313 of "Inventaire des Archives de la Ville de Bruges" (1873) and dated to 1339 and 1345 at p. 363 of "Annales de la Société d'Émulation pour l'Étude de l'Histoire & des Antiquités de la Flandre (1875). Photocopies of the relevant pages were provided.

Murat appears as a place name dated to 1239 at p. 457 of "Histoire Generale de Languedoc" (1737). Photocopies were provided. In addition, Arnaut de Murat appears dated to 1584 at p. 99 of "Les presidens au mortier du parlement de Paris , leurs emplois, charges, qualitez, armes, blasons et genealogies, depuis l'an 1331 jusques à present"(http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5597190m/f728.image), published in 1647.

While the name appears to be registerable as submitted, Kingdom commenters were unable to make it authentic for the requested time and place.

Correction (2012-Nov-15 13:11:18): After correspondence with the submitter about his wishes, please disregard the authenticity request. -- Alys Eastern Crown


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

8: Joscelin le esqurel - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2010, via the East

(Fieldless) A squirrel courant sable

The submitter currently has a registered device (September of 2011 via the East): Quarterly purpure and sable, three squirrels courant in annulo Or, and a registered badge (April of 2010 via the East): (Fieldless) On an acorn sable a squirrel Or. If this badge is registered, the submitter wishes to release his existing badge, (Fieldless) On an acorn sable a squirrel Or.

Eastern Crown concluded that this badge is clear of the device of Gareth the Russel (Oct. 1976): Azure, a skunk [Mephitis mephitis] statant proper, with one DC for fieldlessness under SENA A.5.G.1.e and and a second DC between a skunk and a squirrel by precedent:

Domenico Barbiere da Mantova. Badge. Vairy argent and gules, a squirrel contourny azure ears enflamed Or. The badge is not in conflict with the device of Hucbald of Ramsgaard, Potenty gules and argent, a skunk rampant to sinister sable marked argent maintaining a sword sable. There is at least a CD between a skunk and a squirrel and another CD for the change in tincture of the primary charge. [December 2011 LoAR, A-Atlantia]

Eastern Crown also concluded that badge is clear of Jocetta Thrushleigh of Rowansgarth (April 2009, Trimaris): Or, a squirrel courant gules, with one DC for fieldlessness under SENA A.5.G.1.e and a second DC for changing the tincture of the squirrel under SENA A.5.G.3.a.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

9: Joscelin le esqurel - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2010, via the East

(Fieldless) A squirrel courant purpure

The submitter currently has a registered device (September of 2011 via the East): Quarterly purpure and sable, three squirrels courant in annulo Or, and a registered badge (April of 2010 via the East): (Fieldless) On an acorn sable a squirrel Or. If this badge is registered, the submitter wishes to release his existing badge, (Fieldless) On an acorn sable a squirrel Or.

Eastern Crown concluded that badge is clear of Jocetta Thrushleigh of Rowansgarth (April 2009, Trimaris): Or, a squirrel courant gules, with one DC for fieldlessness under SENA A.5.G.1.e and a second DC for changing the tincture of the squirrel under SENA A.5.G.3.a.


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10: Joscelin le esqurel - New Badge Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2010, via the East

(Fieldless) A squirrel courant Or

Old Item: (Fieldess) On an acorn sable, a squirrel Or, to be released.

The submitter currently has a registered device (September of 2011 via the East): Quarterly purpure and sable, three squirrels courant in annulo Or, and a registered badge (April of 2010 via the East): (Fieldless) On an acorn sable a squirrel Or.

Eastern Crown concluded that badge is clear of Jocetta Thrushleigh of Rowansgarth (April 2009, Trimaris): Or, a squirrel courant gules, with one DC for fieldlessness under SENA A.5.G.1.e and a second DC for changing the tincture of the squirrel under SENA A.5.G.3.a.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

11: Neave MacGugyne - New Name

Neave is a late 16th cen./early 17th cen. English surname found in the IGI Parish Records:

Elizabeth Neave Female Christening 06 Dec 1590 All Saints, Icklingham, Suffolk, England Batch: C062552

Margaret Neave Female Christening 08 Sep 1548 Conington, Cambridge, England Batch: C130382

Thamar Neave Female Christening 15 May 1614 St. Michaels, Withyham, Sussex, England Batch: C152012

(and others)

By precedent, such surnames can be used as given names. [Alton of Grimfells, 04/2010, A-East]

Connor M'Gugyne appears in the Fiants of Elizabeth I dated to 1602-03, found in "Report of the Deputy keeper of the public records in Ireland, Volume 17, Parts 1885-1888" (http://books.google.com/books?id=_lURAQAAMAAJ) at p. 122. Because the College of Heralds does not register scribal abbreviations, the abbreviation M' expands to Mac.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

12: Oleksandr Brazhnyk - New Name & New Device

Per fess Or and sable, an eagle displayed gules and an egg Or charged with a compass star gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 15th-16th cen. Zaphorian Cossack (Ukrainian).
Culture (Zaphorian Cossack (Ukrainian)) most important.
Meaning (last name meaning) most important.

Oleksandr is found in Paul Wickenden of Thanet, "A Dictionary of Period Russian Names" (http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/) s.n. Aleksandr with the submitted spelling dated to 1266.

Brazhnyk is found in Jiro, Jaroslav, Ph.D. 2004 "Naydavnishy register of Ukrainian Cossacks, 1581" ISBN 966-95841-6-7 (www.mymail.ru/community/zaporoje/1C52BD9D91B729CE.html). The article is a register of Ukrainian (Zaphorizian) Cossacks from 1581, written entirely in Russian. The submitter also enclosed a copy of Fedorkiw, Luba. 1977. Ukrainian Surnames in Canada, Master's Thesis, University of Manitoba (http://hdl.handle.net/1993/2500), which lists Brazhnyk and gives the definition "brewer."

In addition to the documentation provided by the submitter, "Occupational Bynames in Medieval Russia" by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://www.goldschp.net/archive/jobnames.html) gives Brazhnikov (dated to 1534) as an occupational byname meaning "brewer."

The submitted blazon used the term "a mullet of four greater and four lesser points." At the suggestion of Kingdom commenters, this was changed to the simpler term "compass star." The use of a compass star is a Step from Period Practice under Appendix G of SENA.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

13: Sarra atte Brouk - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2012, via the East

Per saltire sable and purpure, a sheep statant contourny argent.

The submitter's original device, Per saltire sable and purpure, a sheep statant argent, was returned on the January 2, 2012 Eastern LoD for conflict with Chlurain, Clan (reblazoned Nov. 2010, Atenveldt), Per fess gules and Or, a sheep passant argent, maintaining under its sinister foreleg a tub sable. Under the RfS, there was one CD for the field, but nothing for the removal of the maintained tub.

The orientation of the sheep has been changed to add a second difference.

This device would conflict with the badge of Alesone Gray of Cranlegh, Lozengy vert and Or, a sheep passant contourny argent marked sable enflamed gules and gorged of a coronet Or with four pearls argent, forwarded to Society on the East's July 9, 2012 LoD, assuming Alesone's badge is registered. Alesone has granted permission to conflict.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

14: Silver Rylle, Shire of - Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1988, via the East

Azure, on a pale wavy argent two roses proper

The original badge submission, (Fieldless) A pale wavy couped argent was returend on the August 2010 LoAR for lack of identifiability. This substantial redesign makes the pale clearly identifiable.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

15: Simha di Abramo - New Name & New Device

Argent, a horse rampant azure and a bordure counter-compony azure and Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Italian/Hebrew) most important.
Culture (Italian/Hebrew) most important.

Submitted as Cima bat Avraham, the submitter indicated that Italian/Hebrew culture was most important to her. Kingdom commenters suggested several more typically Italian name forms. After consultation with the submitter about whether she would prefer one of the suggested forms, the submitter opted to change her name to one of the suggested forms, Simha di Abramo.

Simha is a female given name listed in "Names of Jews in Rome In the 1550's" by Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Jewish/rome_names.html#women).

di Abramo is a patronymic listed in the same article 33 times (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Jewish/rome_names.html). Entries include: Beniamino di Abramo, Gabriele di Abramo Levi, Gabriele di Abramo, and Rabbi Salomone di Abramo.


This item was on the 12-2012 LoAR

16: Ulric von der Insel - New Heraldic Title

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 1991, via the East

Schwarzer Turm Herald

Language (unspecified) most important.
Culture (unspecified) most important.

The submitter was created a Herald Extraordinary by the Brigantia Principal Herald and the Crown of the East on June 23, 2012.

Submitted as Schwarz Turm, which the submitter asserted is German for "Black Tower," no support for this assertion was provided. Further research suggested that the correct modern German for "Black Tower" should be Schwarzer Turm, and it was put into Kingdom commentary in that form. However, evidence produced in Kingdom commentary (discussed below) demonstrated the possible medieval form Schwarze Turm. It has been forwarded in that spelling.

This title is based on the pattern of heraldic titles based on charges found in "Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance" by Juliana de Luna (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/HeraldicTitlesSCA/heraldic_titles_by_type.shtml). The examples given in the article include several instances of [color] + [object] in English, including:

Blaunche Senglier Pursuivant (c. 1547-8)

Blanch Lyon Pursuivant (1537)

Blanch Rose Pursuivant (1542)

Bluemantle pursuivant (1472 onwards)

Juliana's article contains no evidence of the [color] + [object] pattern in German, but we are hoping commenters can provide documentation. Juliana's article does provide support for heraldic titles based on place names in German, in the event that "Schwarz Turm" or something close to it can be found or constructed as a German place name.

In Kingdom commentary, Rohese de Dinan found evidence of a place in Switzerland called Schwarze Turm in the German Wikipedia, sn. Schwarzer Turm (Brugg):

Der Schwarze Turm ist eine Turmburg in der Schweizer Stadt Brugg. Er ist das älteste Gebäude und Wahrzeichen der Stadt. Er befindet sich am nördlichen Rand der Altstadt, unmittelbar neben der Brücke, die über eine Engstelle der Aare führt und der Stadt den Namen gab.

Der Bau des Turms erfolgte im letzten Viertel des 12. Jahrhunderts und wurde wahrscheinlich von Graf Albrecht III. von Habsburg angeordnet. Der Stammsitz der Habsburger, die Habsburg, liegt nur wenige Kilometer entfernt und die wenig später entstandene Stadt diente eine Zeitlang als Residenz der habsburgischen Grafen. 1238 wurde der Schwarze Turm erstmals urkundlich erwähnt.

Translation from Rohese: "The black tower is a tower in the Swiss town of Brugg. It is the oldest building and landmark of the city. It is located on the northern edge of the old town, right next to the bridge which leads over a narrow point of the Aare River and gave the city the name."

"The construction of the Tower took place in the last quarter of the 12th century and was probably ordered by Count Albrecht III. von Habsburg. The ancestral seat of the House of Habsburg, Habsburg, is only a few kilometres away and little later served for a time as the residence of the counts of Habsburg. In 1238, the black tower had its first documentary mention."

(http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzer_Turm_%28Brugg%29)

Based on this evidence, Eastern Crown has forwarded the name in the hope that Society commenters can provide further evidence of Schwarze Turm as a place name.

Correction (2012-Sep-28 09:09:20): This should be Schwarze Turm, based on our best guess. The submitter, however, is not committed to any particular spelling.



OSCAR counts 4 New Names, 2 New Heraldic Titles, 6 New Devices, 2 New Badges and 1 New Badge Change. These 15 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $45 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device and 2 Resub Badges. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 18 items submitted on this letter.

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