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Middle ILoI dated 2012-10-01
Greetings unto THL Kriemhilt von Ebersberg, Dragon Herald, Meister Konrad Mailander, Rouge Scarpe Herald, and the commenting members of the Midrealm College of Heralds; from Lady Hiordis Ragnarsdottir, Escutcheon Herald.
Herein please find submissions received in September 2012. Unless noted, clients will accept a holding name.
All comments are due to Rouge Scarpe and Dragon by November 1, 2012.
1: 'Azzah bint al-Badawi -Resub Name & New Device Change
Argent, within an orle azure a chestnut roan horse proper passant to sinister.
Old Item: Argent, a brown horse passant to sinister, in base a peacock feather proper, an orle azure., to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Arabic.
<'Azzah> "feminine given name" (Appleton, Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm)
<bint al-Badawi> "al-Badawi [the Bedouin]. A nasab. One always finds the particles ibn (son of) or bint (daughter of) in the nasab." (ibid.)
Nov 2010 LOAR:
"'Azzah bint al-Badawi al-Murabbiyyah al-Rualliyyah. Name. The submitter asserted that the bynames could be found in Da'ud ibn Auda "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices." However, commenters were unable to confirm this. Neither al-Murabbiyyah nor al-Rualliyyah (or their masculine counterparts) were found in this article, nor were commenters able to identify them as bynames elsewhere. The lack of any reference to the intended meaning made that identification more difficult. Barring evidence that these elements were used as bynames or match a pattern of words used as bynames, they cannot be registered. We would drop the problematic elements, but the submitter allows no changes.
Juliana de Luna "Arabic Names from al-Andalus" provides examples of names with multiple descriptive bynames as well as a patronymic byname. Therefore the complexity of the name structure is not a problem.
Her device has been registered under the holding name 'Azzah of the Shattered Crystal."
Previous device registered under the holding name of 'Azzah of the Shattered Crystal.
2: Ayreton, Barony of -New Order Name
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2009, via the Middle
Pleiades of Ayreton, Award of the
Sound most important.
Meaning most important.
<Pleiades> "1) plural of Pleiad. Any one of the seven daughters of Atlas and Pleione. 2) A notable group of persons or things, esp. when seven in number." (Oxford English Dictionary)
"Sleep did not fall upon his eyelids as he watched the constellations -- the Pleiades, the late setting Bootes, and the Great Bear..." line 333. (Johnston, Homer's Odyssey, http://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/homer/odyssey5.htm)
Escutcheon's Note: There is a petition of populace support included.
3: Bertholmeu MacMolan -New Device
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2005, via the Middle
Or, a triquetra vert and a chief potent.
4: Bran Marius -Resub Badge
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2012, via the Middle
Sable, in fess and escutcheon between two wolf's heads couped addorsed argent.
This submission is to be associated with Maison de Marius
5: Broinnfind inghean Maghnusa -Resub Name
<Broinnfind> "s.n. Broinnfind: Broinninn (brin'-in) f. 'fair bosomed'. This was the name of the sister of St Ibar and mother of St Lithgen of Clonmor in Ui Failge" (O Corrain & Maguire)
<inghean> "inghean B "daughter of B" Early Modern Gaelic (after c.1200)" (Appendix A: Patterns That Do Not Need Further Documentation by Language Group, http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixA)
<Maghnusa> "16 Men found with the name Magnus or Maghnus, ranging 732 to 1506." (O'Brien, Index of Irish Annals: Magnus, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Magnus.shtml)
Dec 2008 LOAR
"Brion mac Donnchad. Name. No evidence was provided that Brion was used by real people in our period. Ó Corráin & Maguire, Irish Names, s.n. Brion say that "Brion is relatively common especially in the very early period for legendary personages or founders of dynasties." As past precedents indicate, Gaelic names which are only documented as names of legendary people are in general not registerable:
The only examples of the name Culann found by the submitter's were in the "Táin Bó Cúalnge" from the Book of Leinster (online at the CELT site, http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/T301035/). Here is it the name of a wholly legendary character from whom the hero Cú Chulainn derives his name. Barring documentation that the name Culann [was used] in non-legendary contexts in period, it is not registerable. [Culann mac Cianain, LoAR 09/2007, East-A]
Given this, there is no documentation for Luan as anything but a legendary name. As it can be documented only as a legendary name, it is not registerable. [Luan an Fael, LoAR 11/2007, Lochac-R]
The most similar given name that the commenters found is Brian. Brian is an extremely common Gaelic masculine name throughout our period; Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Index of Names in Irish Annals", has 45 examples ranging from the 10th C to the 16th C.
Additionally, Gaelic grammar requires that Donnchad be put in the genitive case following mac. We would change the name to Brian mac Donnchada in order to register it, but this would be presumptuous of the registered name Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada, as it would be a claim to be Mari's father. RfS VI.3 "Names Claiming Specific Relationships" forbids the registration of names "that unmistakably imply identity with or close relationship to a protected person". Such names can in general be registered with permission to presume from the owner of the protected name, but without such permission Brian mac Donnchada is not registerable.
Her device was registered under the holding name Mary of Shadowed Stars."
6: Robert the Bear -New Name & New Badge
Argent, on a lozenge throughout azure between four Latin crosses bottony gules a bear rampant guardant argent
Submitter desires a masculine name.
Robert - Robert is a masculine given name found in Colm Dubh, "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html), with the example <Robert le berchier>. the Bear - the Bear is lingua anglica for surnames found in Reaney and Wilson, s.n. Bear: Tedric' Vrs' 1130 P (O); Theodoricus le Bere 1166 Oseney (O); Ralph Bere 1177 P (Nf); Nicholas le Urs 1219 AssSt; Robert le Beer 1296 SRSx.
7: Uilleam le Syngur -New Name & New Device
A dragon's head couped within a wreath of thorns above a massoned wall embattled Or.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for Norse 1250-1350.
Meaning (not specified) most important.
<Uilleam> "English-speakers named in Irish Gaelic records usually have names transcribed into Irish forms. For example, the man who appears in 1324 as <Uilliam Burc> would probably have written his own name as <William Burke> in English" (Theriot, Academy of St. Gabriel #2701, http://www.s-gabriel.org/2701)
<le Syngur> "William le Syngur, 1297" (ibid.)
Escutcheon's note: The submission says, "A dragon's head guled". I think this is a misspelling, so I corrected it to say "couped".
Lady Hiordis Ragnarsdottir
THL Kriemhilt von Ebersberg
mka Sabine Lessing-Tyson
Master Konrad Mailander
mka Dale Niederhauser
Lady Hiordis Ragnarsdottir
mka Skye Savage
OSCAR counts 4 Names, 1 Order Name, 2 Devices, 1 Device Change and 2 Badges. There are a total of 10 items submitted on this letter.
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