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Middle ILoI dated 2012-09-16

Middle Kingdom ILoI dated 2012-09-16



Greetings unto THL Kriemhilt von Ebersberg, Dragon Herald, Meister Konrad Mailander, Rouge Scarpe Herald, and the commenting members of the Midrealm College of Heralds; from Lady Hiordis Ragnarsdottir, Escutcheon Herald.



Herein please find the second half of the Pennsic 2012 submissions. Unless noted, clients will accept a holding name.



All comments are due to Rouge Scarpe and Dragon by October 15, 2012.

1: Eskil Haraldsson -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.

<Eskil> "ASKEL, jfr ÆSKIL, mn." dates range from 1311 to 1501. [Sveriges medeltida personnamn, Institutet för språk och folkminnen, http://www.sofi.se/images/smp/pdf/askel.pdf] this is a sub-site of s-gabriel.org

<Haraldr-> Geirr Bassi Haraldsson pg 11 patronymic: men's name end in -r which usually become -s in the genitive (Haraldsson) Geirr Bassi pg 17


2: Faílenn ingen Áedáin -New Name & New Device

Sable, a butterfly Or and on a chief indented argent a butterfly sable between two more purpure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (Irish) most important.

<Failenn> O'Corrain and Maguire p. 93 under Faílenn dates the feminine given name to 637

<Áedáin> genitive form of Áedán, masculine given name used from 505-949. found in Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, ["Index of Names in Irish Annals: Áedán", http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Aedan.shtml]


3: Fujiwara no Ka'neko -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

<Fujiwara> NCMJ pg 391 under Fujuiwara dated to 669CE

<no> Submitter prefers to have <no> in the registered name

<Ka'neko> NCMJ pg 372 under Ka'Neko dated to 1147CE


4: Gareth Thorne -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1997, via the Middle

Vert, four arrows conjoined as a mascle Or.


5: Geneviève O'Connor -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (The spelling of Geneviève is most important.) most important.

Name Construction as per SENA Appendix C Anglicized Irish can be combined with French

<Geneviève> An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Lord Colm Dubh UNDER Geneviève (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html#G)

<O'Connor> Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada SEE Women's Names link UNDER Margarete, Margarete O'Connor 1558 (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/)

NOTE: Submitter has been using O'Conchobhair as surname. We can't find documentation to allow. If someone knows how to allow it please help. Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small


6: Gudrun Ivarsdottir -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Spelling most important.

<Gudrun> is from Lind col 389, s.n. Guðrún, gives the submitted spelling in several references including the Eddas

<Ivar> is from Lind Supplement, col 660, s.n. Ívarr, gives Ivar,-ar, -{aa}rr, apparently in 1226.

Patronymic formed from the rules on page 17 of Geirr Bassi, shows name ending in -rr as forming a patronymic with -sdottir. There's an accent, submitter wants to drop it. While the 'names ending in -r' section of the patronymic rules says that the terminal -r changes to -sdottir, "Ivasdottir" just doesn't sound right. Since the usual form of "Ivar" is "Ivarr", we followed the rules for -rr.


7: Gunnvarðr læknir -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning (Gunnvarðr the healer) most important.

<Gunnvarðr> Lind, s.n Gunnvarðr shows it as a header form. Submitter cites Fellows-Jensen, Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, on pg. 118, 344, 351.

<læknir> "Viking Names found in the Landnamabok cits "lækner" meaning "leech, doctor"


8: Gunther von Brandenburg -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 1988, via the Middle

Sable, a pale checky gules and argent a plate overall charged with two bear jambes bendwise sable.


9: Hainrich Hadamar -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (Submitter wants \) most important.

<Hainrich> Medieval German Given Names from Silesia by Talan Gynek UNDER Heidenrich dated to 1267, 1299, 1301 (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm)

<Hadamar> Bahlow pg. 182 UNDER Hadmar Knight Hadamar vs. Laber, MHG Poet. Peter Hadmar, Moravia 1414. Brechenmacher A-J pg. 629 UNDER Hadamar with date 1556 (No names listed, so I'm not sure this is valid).


10: Hugh MacDonough -New Name & New Device

Per chevron argent and purpure, on a pale counterchanged between in chief two fleurs de lys azure, a bunch of grapes purpure.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

<Hugh> found in Names Found in "Anglicized Irish Documents: Men's Names", by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml lists Hugh or Ea O Coman to 1584

<MacDonough> Woulfe p352 s.n. Mac Donncada, Mac Donncaid - has MacDonough as a modern form, however it can be dated to 1629 in Mari's "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents: Men's Names", medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml and also found in this article <Donough> as a given name as early as 1576


11: Immanuel Von Brandenberg -New Name & New Device

Per chevron inverted argent and azure, a sun gules and two herons close addorsed Or.

No major changes.
Client requests authenticity.

<Immanuel> IMMANUEL SCHWEIGGER Male Birth 9 October 1583 Evangelisch, Groetzingen, Schwarzwaldkreis, Wuerttemberg Batch: C944341

<Von> locative X see Appendex A SENA

<Brandenberg> hauf. ON B. 1302 Cristianus dictus de B., zu Greifswald: NG110. - 1398 Hildebrand B., B. zu Biberach a. R.: WV. (NF) XIX 267 bis 316 (mit Stammbaum)


12: Jālida al-Hasanah -New Name & New Device

Per chevron argent and azure, two lotus flowers in profile azure and a crescent Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

<Jālida> found in "Arabic Women's Names from al-Andalus", by Juliana de Luna www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/alandalus/femism.html lists <Jālida> as a feminine ism

<al-Hasanah> - Meaning the beautiful. <al-Husayn> is a masculine descriptive byname meaning "the handsome" found in "PERIOD ARABIC NAMES AND NAMING PRACTICES", by Da'ud ibn Auda http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm this byname has been feminized using standard patterns for making masculine bynames feminine, supported by the existence of the feminine ism <Hasanah> in the same article.

CONSULT WITH SUBMITTER - does she want the name submitted with the - over the first a in Jalida or not?


13: Jolicia atte Northclyf -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2006, via the Middle

Per pale vert and purpure, a chevron between three oak leaves Or.

Escutcheon's Note: The paperwork lists the name of the submitter as Jolicia atte Northclyfe, with an E at the end. The name was registered without an E.


14: Karl MacNaughtan -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Spelling most important.

<Karl> Legal first given name from Michigan drivers license attested by Galfrid Thynne

<MacNaughtan> Black pg. 547 UNDER MACNACHTAN, McNachtan, 1480. The submitter prefers the first choice, will take "MacNachtan" as a second option.


15: Kasha Alekseeva -New Name & New Device

Argent, a garb vert within an orle of bowls azure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

<Kasha> is found in this spelling in Paul Wickenden of Thanet's article 'Dictionary of Period Russian Names' found at http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/ which states Kasha (f) -- "porridge." It also cites Kasha, daughter of Krok, wife of Bivoi. 670. [Khr 250]

<Alekseeva> is found under header spelling Aleksei in the same article which states the name means "to defend". The article gives Alekseeva as the feminized patronymic version in this manner. Pats (f): Alekseeva citing Orina Alekseeva, a Moscovite to 1470. [Nik XII 124]


16: Kathe Reinhard -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

<Kathe> Käthe found in Bahlow 2nd ed p 260 s.n. Kathrina lists <Käthe> as a short form.

<Reinhard> is found in found in Bahlow 2nd ed p 406 s.n. Reinhard(t) Brechenmacher p 393 with "Nos Reinhardus filius Reinhardi"- 1315 "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia", Talan Gwynek
heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm lists Reinhard: 1316 also has Kethe 3: 1365, 1369, 1383 under Katharina. We believe <Kathe> to be a plausible spelling.


17: Kathryne Sommerfeldt -New Name & New Device

Azure, a winged lozenge and a bordure argent.

Spelling (Katheryne) most important.

<Kathryne> - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel.names/bahlow v.htm medieval German Given Names from Silesia Katherine: 1366, Katherin: 1337, Katheryn: 1383, Katharina:1348, Katerina:1350 Kathryne seems to be a reasonable extrapolation from the names above.

<Sommerfeldt> Brechenmacher, vol. 2, p. 622 s.n. Sommerfeld dates <Daniel Sommerfeldt aus Züllichau> to 1649.

Submitter is hoping for the spelling for the first name as it is an old family given name.


18: Kawamura no Ryôtarô Yoshichi -New Name & New Device

Argent, between four cranes migrant, heads to center a roundel sable conjoined.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

<Kawamura> - NCMJ Historical Surnames pg. 320 dated to 1332. Note: This is the kamei.

<Ryôtarô> Online Japanese Miscellany by Anthony J. Bryant UNDER Japanese Names - "The numerical order names were often altered in some way with the addition of an auspicious adjective before it, such as Dai~ (big), Chô~ (long), Ryô~ (good), or something similar." (http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/miscellany/miscellany.html). This is a Zokumyou see NCMJ pg. 44 that goes between kamei and nanori.

<Yoshichi> NCMJ Historical Masculine Nanori pg. 366 dated to 1568. NOTE: This is the the nanori.


19: Kenrick Harper -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2012, via the Middle

Vert, a viol bendwise sinister, pegs to chief, and a chief Or Note: Use illustration #779 in PicDic for viol.


20: Kigyoshi István -New Name & New Device

Gules on a bend between two skulls Or a snake glissant gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (hungarian) most important.

SENA Appendix A states that Hungarian names were byname, followed by given name.

<Kigyos> Submitter wants to use the byname "Kigyoshi" , believed to be a locative of a river in hungary. Due to lack of Hungarian resources, unable to document. "Kigyos" is less desirable but acceptable.

<István> "Hungarian Names 101" by Walraven van Nijmegen (heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/magyarnames1012.html) lists István in the 1552 rolls, however, submitter wants an earlier period name - 12th Century. Submitter would either like evidence of this form for that period, or an earlier form of that name. Please contact submitter prior to processing name.


21: Leifr gullskegger Magnusson -New Name & New Device

Per pale Or and purpure, a tree eradicated counterchanged.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

<Leifr> Geirr Bassi, pg. 13, lists this as a male given name gullskegger - Geirr Bassi, pg. 22, lists this as a descriptive byname meaning 'gold-beard'

<Magnusson> Geirr Bassi, pg. 13 lists Magn\'us as a male given name, this is best guess as genitive form.


22: Leta da Padova -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2005, via the Middle

Sable,a key cross and a chief Or.

Old Item: Gyronny argent and azure, a key cross vert., to be released.


23: LLen Crede -Resub Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in January of 2013, via the Middle.

Old Item: Alan of the Marshes, to be released.
Submitter desires a masculine name.

(Holding name Alan of the Marshes reg. 03/2010 via the Middle)

<Llen> Late Sixteenth Century Welsh Names by Talan Gwynek http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/talanWelsh16.htm "Llen Either an abbreviation for Llywelyn or a pet form."
IGI Extracted Parish Records LLEN RICHARD Male Marriage 18 September 1559 Oswestry, Shropshire, England KATHERINGE ROGER Batch: M020711

<Crede> ADAM CREDE Male Marriage 24 August 1599 Saint James Pockthorpe, Norwich, Norfolk, England AGN SHANCKE Batch: M044471
Alis Crede Female Christening 8 April 1566 St Martin'S, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Robrte Crede Batch: C031453
ANNE CREDE Female Christening 25 October 1573 Saint Clements, Hastings, Sussex, England ROBERT CREDE Batch: C041241
DENNYS CREDE Female Marriage 5 January 1575 Saint Clements, Hastings, Sussex, England WM RIPS Batch: M041241
EDWARD CREDE Male Christening 3 January 1580 Datchworth, Hertford, England GEORGE CREDE Batch: C072302
And many more...

Correction (2012-Sep-16 22:09:14): This is a Name Change from Holding Name.


24: Louis le Coffier -New Name & New Device

Sable, a point pointed and on a chief argent three eagles sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (wants meaning coffin maker) most important.

<Louis> s.n. Louis 1535, 1537, 1537; Given Names from Brittany, 1384 - 1600 earlier spelling Looys or Loys Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Colm Dubh; Lowis 1210 s.n. Louis in Withycombe 1977 p.196

<Coffier> Occupational By-Names in the 1292 Tax Roll of Paris by Colm Dubh (Scott Catledge) 2000 - 2005 p.4


25: Malie Vale -New Name Change & New Device

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in January of 2013, via the Middle.

Azure, a stag's head affronty erased conjoined to two wings argent.

Old Item: Ta'naka Kiyoko, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

<Malie> Found in Talan Gwynek's article "A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records" at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/scottishfem.html where it is listed in the Post-1400s section and dated to 1567

<Vale> is found in Black's Scottish Surnames under header spelling Vale which states the name refers to a person living in or from a valley. It cites William de la vale who was chancellor of Berwick-on-Tweed in 1364. Reaney and Wilson also notes this name under header spelling Vale, Vail, Vaile which cites John Vale in 1382.


26: Margrét Þorfinnsdóttir -New Name & New Device

Per pale vert and Or, a hedgehog rampant contourny counterchanged, its quills impaling grapes azure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Norse version of Margaret.) most important.

<Margrét> Geirr Bassi, pg 13 column 1.

<Þorfinnsdóttir> Created Patronymic as per Geir Bassi pg. 17. <Þorfinnr> - Geir Bassi, pg 16 column 2. Accents and thorn are not important to submitter. Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small


27: Matheus Mac Eoin -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2004, via the Middle

Sable a cross crosslet within a bordure Or.

<br/> Close to Jason MacPherson, Sable, a cross of Jerusalem and a bordure Or. Calling substantial change between the two cross types (treating cross of Jerusalem as either its own entity or a potent-like cross). <br/>

Escut. Note: Paperwork was typed in at Herald's Point as "Matheus MacEoin" with no space, but this was registered with a space.


28: Max von Augsburg -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for German.
Culture (German form of names and construction) most important.

<Max> Withycombe pg 215, Heading Maximillian, It became a favorite name in Germany, particularly in the abrieviated form "Max". Maximillian is a saints name from the 3rd century. Max- Bahlow pg 322, Heading: "Max= Maximillian, 1459 usage in period.

<von Augsburg>- http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/modern period.html, "German names from a 16th cent c Czech Register" by Aryanwhy merch Catmael, pg 2/ Augsburg/Augspurg/ Registery number 73

Using Maximillian is fine for the client, but client would prefer the use of Max as a short form. Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.


29: Medhbh inghean Uí Eidirsceóil -Resub Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in January of 2013, via the Middle.

Old Item: Medhbh of Catteden, to be released.
No major changes.
Culture (Irish) most important.

<Medhbh> is currently registered to the submitter. It is also found at Mari's index to the annals: http://server.penherald.net/heraldry/mirrors/medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Meadhbh.s html, "Medhbh, the daughter of Domhnall O'Conchobhair".

March 2010 LoAR:

"Medhbh inghean Uí Drisceóil. Name. The feminine byname form of Ó hEidirsceóil is inghean Uí Eidirsceóil. The pronunciation difference between inghean Uí Drisceóil and inghean Uí Eidirsceóil is minor because the initial vowel in Eidirsceóil runs together with Uí. The only other pronunciation change is the placement of the r in the middle of the element. However, the general consensus was that the visual change to the patronym was enough that it constituted a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Therefore, we must return this name."

The submitter wants the spelling of the given name and will accept major changes to the byname.

Correction (2012-Sep-16 22:09:12): This is a Name Change from Holding Name.


30: Megge Mac Corrin -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Megge from the Corrin family) most important.

<Megge> found in Withycombe, p. 206-7, s.n. Margaret as a feminine given name. Megge is dated to 1273.

<Mac Corrin> is found as a surname in R&W p. 111, s.n. Corran. Mac Corrin, Corrin 1504. A Manx contraction of Mac Oran from Mac Odhrain "son of odhrann" pale-faced.


31: Mikhail Bortnikovich -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister vert and gules, bendwise a beehive Or and a rabbit's head couped argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Michael the Beekeeper) most important.

<Mikhail> Spelling Russian Name in Period English by Paul Wickenden of Thanet Appendix B: Names Found in Of the Russe Commonwealth, all names dated 1591. (http://goldschp.net/archive/fletcher.html)

<Bortnikovich> - Occupational Bynames in Medieval Russia by Paul Wickenden of Thanet by pg. 31 UNDER Agriculatural/Hunting, Bortnikovich 1585. (http://www.goldschp.net/archive/jobnames.html Also in Russian binder at Herald's Point)

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small


32: Miles Leigh Hawkyns -New Name & New Device

Quarterly gules and azure, a cross Or between four fleurs-de-lys argent.

No major changes.
Culture (Late-period English) most important.

<Miles> dated 1297 in R&W, s.n. Miles, in the name <Nicholaus filius Miles>. It is also found as a surname in Bardsley, s.n. Miles, dated 1273 and 1584.

<Leigh> found in Bardsley, s.n. Legh, dated 1617.

Hawkyns is the byname of <Sir John Hawkyns>, found in 'Queen Elizabeth - Volume 232: May 1590', Calendar of State Papers Domestic: Elizabeth, 1581-90 (1865), pp. 662-669. (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=61113&strquery=hawkyns). This is a subscription-only link; the pages are attached.

The name pattern of a given name + double byname is found in Appendix A of SENA. The submitter allows Leigh to be dropped.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=848/2012-09-11/21-14-30_12P2_MilesHawkyns_Name_Docu.jpg


33: Mira Sitt al-Sirr -New Name & New Device

Per saltaire vert and sable, in pale a lotus flower and a pomegranate Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

<Mira> is from A sample of Jewish names in Valencia 1293-1485 by Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Jewish/names_in_valencia.html)

<Sitt al-Sirr> is from Jewish Names in the World of Medieval Islam by Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/yehoshua/jews_in_cairo/index.html).

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small


In Service,

Lady Hiordis Ragnarsdottir



Dragon:

THL Kriemhilt von Ebersberg

mka Sabine Lessing-Tyson



Rouge Scarpe:

Master Konrad Mailander

mka Dale Niederhauser



Escutcheon:

Lady Hiordis Ragnarsdottir

mka Skye Savage


OSCAR counts 24 Names, 3 Name Changes, 17 Devices, 1 Device Change and 3 Badges. There are a total of 48 items submitted on this letter.

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